Financial leaders say a closed Moroccan-Algerian border is bad for business

2008-08-08

Since the Morocco-Algeria border closure in 1994, any potential resolution of the issue has been slowed by politics. Bankers and business leaders, however, argue that shared economic interests should soften hardened political positions.

By Mawassi Lahcen for Magharebia in Casablanca – 08/08/08

[Mawassi Lahcen] Economic interests shared by Algeria and Morocco have resulted in co-operation on major energy projects and may soften politicians' hardened positions.

Speaking July 29th on the ninth anniversary of his ascension to the throne, King Mohammed VI renewed Morocco's call for open land borders with neighbouring Algeria so that new generations might "harness the potential of both Moroccan and Algerian peoples... instead of wasting them in the labyrinths of some handed-down conflict that dates back to a bygone era."

The same day, Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika voiced his "unwavering intent to restore warmth to the sisterly relations binding both nations".

Despite these conciliatory gestures, any discussions about normalising relations in the 14 years since the border was closed have usually involved larger political issues such as solving the Western Sahara problem, or protecting against trafficking.

For those in the financial community, however, the subject is much simpler; a closed border is bad for business. And the border question, they say, is key to the viability of the Maghreb Union.

"The continued closure of the border between Morocco and Algeria impedes the integration of the Maghreb market, and consequently limits the prospects of investments directed to that market," said Nozha Hrichi, an advisor to former Moroccan Prime Minister Driss Jettou who now heads the Moroccan Company of Insurance of Exports.

"We also shouldn't forget the role that the economic interests have played as an engine for the integration of the European Union, and how the resistance from politicians to the European integration has always fallen under the pressures of economic interests," she added.

The interrelation of economic interests can help soften hardened political positions, Hrichi continued, pointing to the electricity link projects between Morocco and Algeria and the European-Maghreb gas pipeline which sends Algerian hydrocarbons to Spain through Moroccan soil.

"Although the borders are closed between the two countries, and in spite of the political tensions between them, these projects managed to see light because there have been strong economic interests behind them," Hrichi noted.

MasterCard International Group VP and Africa district manager Faisal Kheidri also believes that there are some glimpses of hope: "I think that the formation of the Maghreb Businessmen's Union about one year ago, plus the efforts exerted by the Maghreb Banks Union, as well as other initiatives, can have an effect on the course of events and can succeed in softening the hardened positions."

"I'm Tunisian, my wife is Algerian, and I live in Casablanca," Kheidri said. "Therefore, to me, the continued closure of the Algerian-Moroccan border is a deep wound, and I hope that this problem will be solved soon."

For other experts, the issue involves more than just trade and business relations between Morocco and Algeria. Jawad Kerdoudi, head of the Moroccan Centre for International Studies, argues that achieving Maghreb integration is linked to regional economic reforms and the promotion of democracy and human rights in all Maghreb countries.

"We shouldn't forget that the Maghreb Union consists of five countries, and that there are dealings between Morocco, Libya and Mauritania," Kerdoudi told Magharebia. "There are common interests that are being created among the economic circles in the five countries, which we can grow to become an engine for moving ahead in building the Maghreb Union."

The final word on Maghreb integration may indeed rest with politicians, not business leaders, said Moroccan Central Bank Governor Abdellatif Jouahri: "The Maghreb Union is dying; this is the reality that we are now living. The decision to rescue it is in the hands of politicians, and is directly related to the presence of a political will."

Maghreb central banks and finance ministers have been working for three years under the auspices of the International Monetary Fund to boost the financial and commercial integration between the Maghreb countries, he said, adding that a meeting set for November in Tripoli will be dedicated to finance problems facing small and medium-sized enterprises in Maghreb countries.

"The Maghreb integration we [seek] is to simply sit together, draw up a strategy for benefiting from the opportunities provided by globalisation, and proceed with negotiations with the EU and other economic and regional forces as a unified entity and from a position of strength for the interest of all Maghreb countries," Jouahri said.

In recent years, two Moroccan banks managed to open branches in Tunisia. The Moroccan External Trade Bank (BMCE) opened a business bank in Tunis, while Attijariwafa Bank took over Banque du Sud. Moroccan banks haven't been able to do the same thing in Algeria, however, despite Algeria's opening of its banking system to foreign investment more than two years ago.

"We may have to reconsider our plans," Jouahri added. "If it is not possible to speak about a Maghreb union consisting of five countries for the time being, why, then, don't we start with two or three countries, and then expand the union to the rest of countries when they become ready? Wasn't that the path adopted by Europe in building the EU?" he asked.

[Getty Images] In recent years, two Moroccan banks managed to open branches in Tunisia. However, they haven't been able to do the same thing in Algeria.

While Attijariwafa Bank Chairman Mohammed Kettani believes the Maghreb Union to be "an inevitable thing", he stresses that banks are pivotal to the process. "When the banks of a certain country go to another country, the industrial and service companies of that country will follow them," he said. "The opening of a Moroccan bank in Tunisia was like a landing point and a crossing bridge for Moroccan companies into the Tunisian market, as well as the Tunisian companies into the Moroccan market."

Kettani thinks that businessmen and economists "have to overcome the political obstacles and take advantage of all holes in order to make progress towards the desired integration."

One businessman who has suffered financial losses from the closed borders is Mohammed Qassal, Deputy Chairman of the General Contracting Union in Morocco. Most of his work is concentrated in the eastern part of Morocco, near the border with Algeria. "I was achieving 60% of my turnover through trade with Algeria before the closure of the borders," he said. "After that, I was forced to look for other markets. I managed to narrowly escape bankruptcy."

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He thinks the borders will be opened before the end of this summer. "Too many things have changed today, especially with the reception Morocco's autonomy proposal for the Sahara has had on the international level," Qassal said. "I think that things have started to change in Algeria as well for resolving the crisis and opening the borders."

In the meantime, he told Magharebia, "We are working side by side with our colleagues in the Maghreb Businessmen's Union to overcome this unnatural situation."

Qassal has an idea to drive the point home. "In our last meeting, I proposed to my colleagues in Algeria to organise two marches for Maghreb businessmen: one to come from Algeria and the other from Morocco."

It would then be businessmen, he explained, who would "penetrate the closed borders between the two countries".

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Mourad NY Posted 2008-08-08

""Financial leaders say a closed Moroccan-Algerian border is bad for business"" for Moroccan business and drug dealers…..for sure.. what's the point of arguing wrongly ? a) this is a Moroccan ""financial "point of view and not a shared one. It’s obvious that the borders opening will mostly benefit Morocco and not Algeria: more drug to sell and more Algerian tourists with their $5/6 billions to spend. Algeria is the only wealthy country in the area, so everybody wants a piece of it…specially the financial “ leaders” !!! b) Morocco is the only responsible for having killed early the Maghreb Union later the borders closing. c)Its time for Morocco to stop pointing fingers at Algeria for its lousy assaulting , bellicose and aggressive foreign policy against Algeria. When Morocco recognizes its mistakes , apologizes and pays back what was stolen to Algerian living in Morocco before they were expelled, maybe then we will see a light ""rapprochement" . It’s time for the “king” to come down to earth to see that he is not perfect.

bouaziz Posted 2008-08-09

Algeria will never open its border! Indeed, on the contrary, a ten-metre-high wall needs to be built all along the border.

algerielibre Posted 2008-08-09

Hello, Before opening its border, Algeria needs to ensure that the independence of the Sahara is guaranteed and the trafficking of drugs and subsidised food will be controlled! This is simple and not complicated, but the King is not in the mood to understand this!!! –Thank you

sissi vive l algerie Posted 2008-08-09

pppppppooooooooppphh Stop bothering us! Leave us alone! We do not want to open the border! God willing, you go solve your own problems first. We do not want you or your problems!

Anonymous Posted 2008-08-09

An open border would only be good for the Moroccans— never for the Algerians! The border needs to stay shut forever!

Anonymous Posted 2008-08-10

I think the problem with the border being closed is not going to be resolved directly given that Morocco was the one that shut the border and had its minister treat us like terrorists. Why would we open this border now? Where were you when Algeria had all the problems in the world?

Naim Posted 2008-08-10

So long as there is no rotation, the murderous Algerian regime will continue to massacre its people outright and block them. They have bled Algeria dry, telling the people that they are nothing. “We are the ones that freed you, so the government is ours!” So long as such dogma exists, accompanied by France’s belched refrains, this country will stay clogged and continue to lose precious years. As for the Polisario, I have the habit of saying: “They are in Algeria, and this is not a problem for Morocco, which is looking to the 21st Century.”

zineb Posted 2008-08-10

I agree with those who are saying that the border between Morocco and Algeria should not be opened. Everyone should keep their **** for themselves, and Algeria is well aware of it. As for the Sahara, it is well and good a Moroccan territory, and we would rather die than become Algerian. I am Sahrawi and Moroccan and I am proud of so being! I refuse to see my land become part of Algeria or even the map of my country become Algerian. A word to the wise: we did not do the Green March and make so much effort just to give you our land! Keep your Algeria and your borders; we do not want them! -Thank you

Kabs Posted 2008-08-10

Another thing: you have got more problems than us in spite of your oil money. I will cite as my only example the numerous bomb attacks you have in recent months. The one that happened today has just reconfirmed that this a habit that has lasted for 15 or so years. Thank God that our country is far more stable. I think that you are right: it is better to leave the border shut and put a wall on it 10 metres high. That way, you can keep your rottenness to yourselves.

Moulay Rashid Posted 2008-08-11

Logic dictates that the border needs to open, but it's quite obvious to nearly everyone that the algerian regime who consist of a small clique of military generals do not follow logic but instead are more interested in playing cold war politics in the hope to maintain their grip on power. Again I applaud the Moroccan stance and history will be the judge and from how the situation stands now the algerian position will be viewed as illogical and short sighted political belligerence.

Andréa Posted 2008-08-11

Opening the border between Algeria and Morocco will be a first step towards our reconciliation and will perhaps facilitate us resolving the Sahara issue.

karima Posted 2008-08-11

Well as a moroccan I personally do not want the borders te be reopened. Algeria has a lot of probems with terrorism, attacks on police armies, extremism and so on. By opening the borders I'm afraid Morocco will get these algerian terrorists. And we do'nt want that. Besides Morocco is on her way to reform, Algeria has still a long way to go and only rely on oil. We do not want our achieved rights (women rights for example) to be taken away by algerian extremists. So please let these algerians stay in their own area!

عادل Posted 2008-08-12

I am sorry to read the comments of some Algerians attacking Morocco and Moroccans for things they didn’t do. The call to reopen borders is like an apology. If you think that Morocco is the only wrong side, the right thought is the following. Opening borders will contribute to the development of both countries by reducing smuggling which benefits the ruling class in Algeria. Moreover, some other activities which weren’t legal will also be regulated. The Algerians should know that Algeria isn’t the promised paradise and that Morocco is not the country of evil as it is described by the Algerian media. Some presenters don’t think in a positive way. Do you know better than economic analysts? Stop your arrogance. We are all in the same basket.

gol Posted 2008-08-12

All the same it is terrible for a country like Morocco to be on the border with countries wherein terrorism and coups d’état reign supreme. Fortunately, Spain is here to bring the even it out, because this is not a climate for development. It is like in a drought, you make do with what you have.

slim16 Posted 2008-08-12

Hey Kabs! You seem to have forgotten your Islamists and the attacks they made. You are watching your neighbour way too much and not yourself. It is just starting up over there, but it is finishing up bit by bit over here. You remember the terrorists who escaped from prison—a real episode of “Prison Break”? There you are! This Zineb who pretends to be a comic-book heroine is nothing but a pale copy of a poor Moroccan who is asking for alms as a Sahrawi. She is so unstable that she thinks she is able to Algerian citizenship! Never in her life will she! Algerian citizenship is won, not given, and all the more so for the Harkis!

gol Posted 2008-08-12

When the Berlin Wall was falling in Europe, not a single country opposed the reunification of Germany and the dissolution of the German Democratic Republic. In the Maghreb, though, the Algerian leaders attempted to take a step backwards, inventing a democratic republic like that of the German Democratic Republic during the Cold War. Sooner or later the GDR and the RASD will both be relics of the Cold War!!!

Jay Posted 2008-08-12

Europe endured two World Wars; one half of its population fought the other. Look at them now, there borders are open, commerce is flowing, and there people are prospering. More than a dozen countries use the same currency, and they don’t even speak the same language. Look at us fighting about the small things. If a merchant in Algiers ships his merchandise to Casablanca he has to go through Marseille first. There something wrong with this picture.

Anonymous Posted 2008-08-13

There is no need to hold a grudge against the small, unthinking minds that do not want the border to be opened.

Jiran Posted 2008-08-13

Listen, noble brothers, you have mistakenly come to think that the terrorists come from over here. You precipitated this by closing the borders for the sake of protection, and you did not do this by mistake, but out of hatred. You were expecting us to drown in our own blood in this ruin, but we are still here. That is what it means to be Algerian like us. Moreover, we have never stopped being Algerian since dawn of history. Just to protect you from the terrorists over here, we are going to keep the border shut for a real long time—as long as we want! At the very least, we are thinking about you!

zineb Posted 2008-08-13

In Response to Anonymous: I indeed agree with you when you say that Morocco was not there when there was a civil war in Algeria. The truth is your problems were never to be heard spoken of in spite of your proximity. And, believe me, I am sorry about this. I do not know when this hatred began between these two people, but it must be admitted that up until this civil war, Morocco was always there for Algeria and it was surely normal to perceive Algeria’s reaction towards the Moroccan desert and the Polisario as a betrayal. I am from the Moroccan Sahara, and, believe me, we are not ready to give it up. Don’t you even dream of it. And, I agree that the border should remain shut.

kem Posted 2008-08-13

Do not forget, we were under French rule for over 130 years and that the French left their children in Algeria. It is easy to recognise them now: they are the ones who do not want the border to be opened and do not want the Maghreb to be united too. Long live the Arab Maghreb!

zineb Posted 2008-08-13

Being that you are so proud of this and that and… I digress, because you are certainly something else… then come here and try to get this Sahara! Just a small piece of advice, take a look and see if the Kabyles are with you. Algerian citizenship, so dear and difficult to obtain, seems to not be to their liking. One wonders why. At the slightest opportunity, they yell about their European origins and the unfortunate circumstances that Algeria— not France— put on their plates. Try to keep what is yours before trying— and I do mean trying—to take what belongs to others. And, Slim, I promise you that I am going to remedy my psychological problems and, take full advantage of your petrodollars, since clean cars haven't taken the road. As for the zakat, let me count up how much we can get out of it with all your billions— a lot, that is for sure. You neighbour will be happiest of all, so I’d turn it all over to him. The ones who have the most needs are the most deserving. And, yes, I am still Sahrawi and Moroccan, which, for your information, is not a dual-nationality, but one and the same. And, I am proud of it. God, country, king....

tizou Posted 2008-08-14

You are wrong. You aren’t aware that Israel is putting pressure on your king to open borders. How do say that we want the Western Sahara? We are even stuck with our Sahara we don’t know how to reform it. Where was your king when Spaniards left the Sahara? Or do you want to plant cannabis in it. Moreover, your king has betrayed the revolution and gave information about the plane abducted by France. The proof is that Mohamed V was going with leaders but Hassan II told him we aren’t going with them…We wish also to close borders with Tunisia.

El Che Posted 2008-08-14

It is good to shut the borders; that way Algerian tourists will come here to Tunisia.

Farid Posted 2008-08-14

In Response to Gol: On the one hand you criticise Algeria, saying that Morocco is neighbouring a country that has terrorism and, on the other hand, you denounce the border being shut while talking of the Berlin Wall. And, you cite Spain, which had a civil war and a dictatorship that only disappeared in 1975. For the development about which you speak you only need to count on yourself. Unfortunately, your country counts on many countries, and that is why you are so easily anaesthetised. And, you will always stay that way. For your information, Algeria paid back all its debts during the period of terrorism. This scourge will stop as soon as your country stops furnishing us with terrorists. The proof, and this was on the Algerian news, is that your country carried out the arrest of 35 terrorist who were leaving for Iraq and Algeria. This information was provided by the Moroccan press. You want us to do business with you, but what can we buy? Although you say you have an agricultural country, you even buy your wheat. All over your press, you say that Morocco is making progress!? But, I think that it is at a standstill. Your country is ranked as having the weakest growth in the Maghreb: a poor 2.7%. As for the border, we Algerians know that our future is not with Morocco but with the Europeans and Americans. You have been cut off! Algeria has double your GDP! Be Objective! Even EuroNews said that Algeria is the Giant of the Maghreb! And, that was on the same day that Sarkozy went on an official visit to Morocco! Gol, if your country wants to aspire to development, then it should not be holding out its hands; it is shameful. Begging is everywhere over there, even with the head of your government. Have a little dignity! We are brothers, but you are clingy.

acharif moulay abdellah bouskraoui Posted 2008-08-14

“A Letter from Acharif to the Algerian People: Algeria has been called on to cease its hostilities towards Morocco.” Author: Acharif. May Praise be to God Alone and blessings upon the Prophet, His family and His companions. Algeria, the neighbouring country of Morocco, which is on the right path to democracy and development, has once again created an excuse to enter into conflict with Morocco, forgetting our entire past, which bears witness to how much Morocco once defended the interests of Algeria and participated in strength in its independence. Time has past and there you have it: Algeria has a short memory and has forgotten everything, not supporting Morocco in its legitimate request or the Moroccan-ness of the Sahara. Algeria prefers to align itself with the separatists, forgetting that all it is doing is putting sticks in the spokes of the Arab Maghreb Union, a union that has long been waited on by millions of Maghrebis. Morocco, aware of the situations, prefers to follow the path of wisdom and reason, voting for a union while defending its territorial integrity with tolerance and ignoring the Algerians’ hostilities and their support for the separatists. But, alas, there is what happened this time, after having seen that the Moroccan’s wisdom outdoes their hostilities and after having mobilised all their diplomatic power to push certain African countries to recognise the separatists as a country, the RASD. This is a country that holds no criteria for being a country, save the only one of having been bought with millions of barrels of Algerian oil that were offered as presents to press for baseless and unjustifiable diplomatic behaviour. Despite all these hostilities, Morocco, which always have confidence in itself and which has always declared that Algeria was a neighbour and brother country that it respects…

Zvenkruger Posted 2008-08-14

To the brother who talked about generals in Algeria. He talks as though they don’t exist in your country. Even if they exist, they are pious people learned in the religious sciences; they never miss performing a prayer collectively. What is this naivety and idiocy in which you are swimming? You have obtained the PHD degree in ignorance with honours and congratulations of the jury. In Morocco, there are generals who monitor and fill their bank accounts (read the book of the retired colonel Mahjoub Tobji: the military of his majesty). Read before you criticise others so that you don’t become a farce in the face of the world. If Morocco were as you pretend, its sons who live all over the world wouldn’t have left it. They wouldn’t have sent you money transfers either. The first country which lives on money transfers by Moroccans living abroad. Morocco is a paradise for tourists and a hell for Moroccans. I hope that you will publish my full comment so that I will see whether you respect freedom of expression. Thank you.

Farid Posted 2008-08-14

In Response to my dear Gol: Almost all the Spaniards are in agreement with each other in order to express their mistrust of Morocco. This is the conclusion that was reached in a survey conducted by Sigma Dos for the Spanish newspaper “El Mundo”. The Survey reveals that 90% of the people questioned think that Morocco has turned a blind eye to the fight against drug trafficking. As for terrorism, the Spanish think that Morocco is not good at collaborating. Thus, as this Spanish newspaper put so well, the path to winning the hearts of the Spanish is still quite long. This is word for word, and it is a Moroccan newspaper that reported the information. You see, even your so-called neighbours on the other side are disappointed by you. No one is happy with having a neighbour like you. But, personally, I was surprised—as were my Algerian compatriots- that you are exporting terrorists and that you have a little bit of terrorism over there. Time will tell. But, I do not support terrorism in any country. One more thing, Gol: Algeria will always manage to overcome its difficulties. The proof is that in one decade this country has managed to erase its debts. It rose from a debtor country to a creditor country. We do not count on anyone, not even our neighbours in the West. In fact, go take a trip to Souk El Fellah in Oujda and the outlying area and you will see that the entire region scans the Algerian border, looking for powdered milk, flour, electricity, gas, cheese, medicine (the pharmacies in Oujda have closed) and even yogurt. Honestly, my dear brother, how can you want to open the border under such conditions? An entire region is living off of Algeria. There needs to be some repression on your side; Algeria has spent billions of dollars to survey its borders. –Bye!

Solution Posted 2008-08-15

This problem needs to be discussed intelligently and level-headedly. Of course, what is ideal is the integration of the Maghreb, being that our history and religion and future challenges will unite us. We need to work towards this. Honestly, this is in the interest of all the concerned countries. Making sacrifices for each other is a big task. Only after several years of such work can we talk about opening the borders, not before. How can we talk about opening the border when Rabat and Algiers are juxtaposed enemies on the very large problem with the RASD/Sahara? This question needs to be resolved definitively and without any hypocrisy. We are far from accounting for this, and it would be enough for one of the two capitals to acquire some sort of arms so that the other one falls behind! Their divergence on this question is irremediable. Rabat says it is theirs; Algeria and the RASD say it is not. It is not worth repeating the history here; rather I will just note that from the beginning there has been a mountain to overcome. The second thing that needs to be noted is that Morocco is selfish. I do not want to offend anyone, but everyone know that for a relationship to be made to last, it has to be win-win. Currently, Algeria’s and Morocco’s economic states are not complementary, rather they are even competitive. Morocco wants the Algerian tourists’ money and it also wants their market, that is to say: to export products manufactured there by European businesses. Contraband has it that our subsidies products end up in Morocco and, in return, we receive drugs and alcohol. And, everyone knows that in Morocco these sectors benefit from the support of the state’s higher-ups.

isabel Posted 2008-08-15

I am not Algerian or Moroccan and I think that it is truly inadmissible and irresponsible for the borders to be closed between two brother countries for 14 years no matter what reasons are given by one side or the other. This is a lack of respect for the two peoples! I am dumbfounded!

Kabs Posted 2008-08-15

Mr Slim; I knew you in better form than this: your arguments will be easy to dismantle. There are some Islamists over here, but, in comparison to yours, they are child-like. The last attack to have claimed any victims in Morocco was in March 2003, just like those of most countries (for example: Spain, Great Britain, the USA, France and so on). As for stability, all you have to do is ask the seven million tourists who come to Morocco each year if it is scary to walk around alone in Morocco or if it is true that there are pickpockets. I myself have forgotten the answers.

gol Posted 2008-08-15

In Response to Slim16: No, Zineb is not pretending to be a comic book heroine! On the contrary, you must be taking heroin to declare that the map of Algeria does not belong to the Harkis. They are the ones that deserve it, because they are of precisely Algerian origin. Not only did they refuse the original Algerian map, but they fought with arms to reject it!

med Posted 2008-08-15

Hello, With regards to Algeria and Morocco, they are a match made in Hell, bickering all the time and for no reason. Turning to the people who write here, they are the same as their states. The problem with Algeria and Morocco unfortunately stems from jealousy and from abroad. –Thank you

عبدالرحمن - فرنسا Posted 2008-08-15

What is the use of opening borders? The borders are closed and smuggling operations are increasing!!! What will happen after that? May God guide us for the good. Salam.

zineb Posted 2008-08-15

My father is Moroccan and my Mother is Tunisian, now I am Sahrawi, tomorrow I will be French and the day after that English. Ladies and gentlemen, I am sorry, but in truth I am a mixture of Moroccan and Jew: my mother is a Jew and my father is a Jew. I am really jealous of the Algerians, and that is why I am full of hate for them. P.S. I am still looking for an Algerian man to marry, but these madmen won’t open the border, and that is why I have such hatred.

sissi reponse a zineb Posted 2008-08-16

By God, I do not know what the Algerians did for you to hate them so, but just try to calm yourself down a little but. You are going to drown in your hatred!

slim16 Posted 2008-08-16

To that snake in the grass, Zineb: The Algerians from Souche, that is: the Kabyles (spelled with a “y”), do not have European origins like you say. You know nothing about Algeria. I have always said that we have too much sand over here, such that you would just do better to give the Sahara you accuse us of wanting to take back to the people you chased from it when you made that “Green March of Shame”. The true owners were robbed and driven from their land, just like the Palestinians. There are even “Walls of Shame” both in the Sahara and in Palestine. Is this a coincidence? And, as far as the advice your “masters” give, we indeed know the nationality of your Mr. Azoulay, Mohamed VI’s counsellor. Know that I have nothing against you, but if you must denigrate Algeria, my country, then do it decently and gracefully, so that we can respect each other. Thank you. –From Algiers, Bye.

slim16 Posted 2008-08-17

To my friend, Kabs: I will answer in the exact same way Jiran did! He knew how to summarise my thoughts on this theme quite well! Bravo Jiran! As for you, Gol, I cannot make you happy. Your writings are worthless. And, poor Zineb’s head is spinning. She no longer knows who she is. In the end, being that Algerians are very gentle with the ladies, I think that we could give an Algerian identification card to such a poor lost soul—and a bit more than that, if she wants it. Sympathy is better than hatred. That is what it means to be good-hearted. -Kindest regards

zineb Posted 2008-08-18

By God, you got me laughing. I am wasting my time talking to such perfect(ly moronic) people. I will leave you to your beautiful tales of that billionaire country of yours. I wish all Muslims a happy Ramadan and to the atheists an early or belated happy birthday.

Ego Posted 2008-08-18

Hi “Wassila” or “Zineb” or “Nadia”, as tomorrow I bet you will be so named. Upon reflection, though, no, you won’t be “Nadia”. Rather, you will be more like “Safia”!!! Have you found what you are looking for..?

البليدى Posted 2008-08-18

Opening borders constitutes a serious threat to Algeria from many sides: economically, morally and socially. Algeria won’t open borders with the authoritarians until they change their authoritarian culture.

Boukhemis Posted 2008-08-18

Wassila, Zineb and so on, I am here.

gol Posted 2008-08-19

Our friend Slim16 lost his mind when he wrote: “Gol, I cannot make you happy. Your writings are worthless.” How can something that is worthless turn you upside down, annoy you and put you in such as state? And, as if this was not already enough, he ended his message saying without irony: “Sympathy is better than hatred. That is what it means to be good-hearted. –Kindest regards” Personally, I do not hate your comments at all, but I do so pity how ridiculous they are.

DJAZAIR EN FCE Posted 2008-08-19

Yay! Yay! Personally, I am a Setifi from Algeria and proud of my people! Long live Algeria! Well yeah, the border needs to stay shut! No Moroccans in Algeria! We are the pride of nations, not of the snake-in-the-grass tourists! Algeria is for the Algerians! Yes, Algerians! Morocco= sold out.

jarid Posted 2008-08-19

The border is but a symbol. What we Maghrebins want, what we aspire for, is the opening of all our states and societies towards democracy and human rights. So long as the rights of Maghreb men and women remain violated, the land border, the mindset and the point of views will remain closed.

aissa Posted 2008-08-20

The military junta and the DRS are responsible for all the **** between Algeria and Morocco. Ever since we came to know these Sahrawis, Algeria has only regressed. Peoples’ civilisations are mixing together, but all we’ve got is poverty because we have a miserable mindset.

plume Posted 2008-08-20

Hahaha! This Zineb is totally off side, but where did you get the idea that Algeria wants to take over the Western Sahara? Algeria wants the Western Sahara to be free and independent!!! It is just as simple and clear as that! But, you make everything so complicated in your life!!!

maj Posted 2008-08-20

hi, every one i m new i can t stand this

جزائري مغربي Posted 2008-08-20

I don’t understand why you have such an attitude towards each other. An Algerian talks about building a wall. A Moroccan says that Algeria is governed by generals and that it is a terrorist state. I ask you why you want to open borders with a country governed by the military and terrorist. I am Algerian and I tell you that Algerians watch drugs pushing Algerian young people into evil. What do you expect of them? Do you want them to thank you? I don’t say that we are a rich country and you are poor. I rather say that we must cooperate to raise our economy and boost fraternity by opening borders. We must eliminate some problems. I see the brothers killing each other in forums. One is happy to hear explosions and the other insults the kingdom. Please stop this. Forget the issue of the Sahara. Let’s support each other and then solve the problem of the Sahara through meetings not through looking for a Jewish person to solve our problems. From your forum, I address a call to the young people of Algeria and Morocco. Let our rulers negotiate or fight each other. When you find the two people love each other, they will give in to us. We just complicate things. We know that both people live in a miserable condition of poverty and sickness. Our young people immigrate on death boats. I have studied in France and met Moroccan and Algerian young people who live in one room like brothers while we insult each other. Fear God. If I am wrong, you can correct me. Long live the Algerian and Moroccan people. I hope that I haven’t offended the feelings of any of you. I ask you to stop insulting each other.

slim16 Posted 2008-08-20

To Gol: Reread my comment and you will better understand. I will say it again: “I cannot make you happy. Your writings are worthless.” The rest does not concern you: my sympathy is not for you. I will not be responding to you anymore.

SALIMOU Posted 2008-08-21

Believe me, so long as the military and its subordinates, the DRS, are in charge of the government, there will be no opening of the borders, no union of the Maghreb and, with such persistent terrorism in Algeria, no political stability.

Mister1979 Posted 2008-08-21

Morocco doesn't need Algeria.. Morocco economy is on the good way. Morocco has more investments then Algeria, divers economy, better infrastructure, is atractting more ICT, manufactering, property investment etc.. Morocco is seen as an emerging market and in 10/15 years Morocco economy will be one of the best of Africa Algeria is rich but their economy is only oil and in 20 years oil will be over and because of import of high food prices Algeria has high inflation. 70% of infrastructure in Algeria is bad, education is bad, Europa and US invest only in oil sector in Algeria Algeria will have big problems in the future when the oil will be over..

Mister1979 Posted 2008-08-21

My Algerian brothers Sahara is Amazigh and has always been Moroccan. Why are you deny this? Algerians talk always about freedom for Sahara but the people in Kabylie Algeria are been killed, tortured and have no freedom. In 2001 more then 200 Kabylie people where killed and 5000 where wounded... Why don't the Algerians goverment give autonomie and freedom to Kabylie??? Hypocrits..

jarid Posted 2008-08-21

“Free the Sahara”!? That makes me laugh! Would it not first be necessary to free Algeria and Morocco? The problem with the Sahara is nothing but a false problem. It is sand in our eyes. With regards to Morocco, aren’t Ceuta and Melilla just as important? But, no one is talking about them. As for Algeria, isn’t terrorism just an excuse to deprive the Algerians of their wealth and freedom?

Ego Posted 2008-08-21

Magharebia; It is not cool to have removed my comment addressed to Zineb the first time, which you had previously published and then censored on the second attempt. I feel I have the right to an explanation, all the more so because I had thought you were a bridge between the people of the Maghreb. These posts contained remarks addressed to Zineb, in whom I saw a person very dear to me and whom I had been searching for for a long time. Can you remedy this? I hope so...

ممتاز Posted 2008-08-21

I am Moroccan and proud of my origins. I want the Algerian brothers to have the same feelings towards their dear country. Opening borders which were closed over 14 years. With it common interests were closed in all sectors: economic, social and political. I hope that the Algerians will accept the request of the Moroccan king to open the door for building a better Maghreb Union. Hand in hand for a better future. God grants success and He knows the intentions of the people.

aniss Posted 2008-08-21

Moroccan companies and Moroccan know-how have a lot to gain from the Algerian market. This country imports almost everything, and it is unacceptable to see the Chinese and Indians come from afar to acquire the wealth of a country that we are neighbours with. We must act politically! How many points of growth would be ensured on the Algerian market from exportation, consumer products and know-how!!!

Mohamed de St-Etienne Posted 2008-08-22

I completely agree with Jarid.

kamikaz Posted 2008-08-22

It is better if everyone stays in his own country: borders just bring problems.

sahraouiya Posted 2008-08-22

Algeria doesn’t want to take the Sahara. It is rather protecting us from Morocco, the beasts and oppressors. Algeria doesn’t fear Morocco because if it wants, it will erase Morocco from existence. It can never take Tindouf because its people will cut you in pieces. Thank you. Hahahaha.

Anonymous Posted 2008-08-22

“No” to the Moroccans, those sharks!

bouaziz Posted 2008-08-22

During the “Black Years” of terrorism, when vacation time was coming, people tried to take refuge in Morocco and Tunisia to find a moment's peace. The Kingdom’s authorities had to shut the border. A large number of Algerians found themselves tossed out as if they were evil incarnate. Now, even with our current problems, they are interested in our cash so that they can buy weapons with our money. I would say that the Tunisians only love the Algerians in July and August and the Moroccans only love the Algerians for their oil money.

noureddine Posted 2008-08-22

Salam alikum. Kamimha and Haila, everyone should respect his borders and manage his own business. The Moroccan in his country and the Algerian in his country. No borders and nothing. “But it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you”. Explaining it requires writing volumes. So beware.

عبد القهار جنوب افريقيا Posted 2008-08-23

A question to the Moroccans: Why are you interested in everything Algerian? Have you found any Algerian reading your newspapers or news? Why do Moroccans interfere with the topics of Algerians and read all the Algerian papers? Has Morocco become an Algerian colony?

bravo aissa Posted 2008-08-23

You are right, Aissa. We are going to rid ourselves of this mafia government, which is contemptuous of the Algerian people, and, at the same time, the dirty Polisario, which is imposing itself on us!

Mister1979 Posted 2008-08-23

I really don't understan Algeria goverment, they say only Morocco wil benefit when borders will open and this is not true.. Algera is now paying billions to import food and if the borders will open they can import food cheaper from Morocco.. Second Algeria pays a lot of money to foreigners to build roads an homes. Moroccan companies can do the same for Algeria much cheaper.. And Algeria is hypocrite the border for Algeria gaz throw Morocco to Spain is open and in the future the will export elektricty to spain throw Morocco an Algeria is benefiting from this..

ممتاز Posted 2008-08-23

We hope that Moroccan Algerian borders will be opened. Stop exchanging accusations between Rabat and Algiers. It is high time for common co-operation. I hope that borders between all Arab countries will be opened. Stop useless conflicts. From this forum, I ask who benefits from all this? Aren’t we one nation? It is observed that all Arab conflicts are in the interest of America and its lamentable policy.

redouane Posted 2008-08-23

Beyond such hateful passion, I think that the Maghreb’s development is linked to the establishment of a Maghreb monetary system, a “Maghreb dinar”. This way, one person’s work will help advance others and vice versa. I am addressing this to all the people of the Maghreb who are now in school and who are all throughout the region of North Africa and the entire world in light of having political courage towards the future of the people of the Maghreb.

Dziri58 Posted 2008-08-23

To Aniss, what Moroccan know-how are you talking about, and what know-how Algeria requires from Morocco? You are talking as though Morocco is so technologically advanced and Algeria is so far behind, well let me update you, the only know-how Algeria lacks in comparison to Morocco is how to grow Kif and Hashish, this is the only domain where Moroccan expertise is at its best.

abdelmadjd Posted 2008-08-24

Please, keep your hashish to yourselves! We do not need you, Moroccans!

NASSIMA Posted 2008-08-25

The source of all the trouble between Algeria and Morocco is the Polisario. Get out. I'm ashamed of my country when I see footage of the expulsion of Moroccans in '75 because of the damn Polisario. What an embarrassment- the Algerian people is for nothing, believe me... these racists even massacred 250,000 Algerians, so... they have given a very bad image of the country, and it still goes on.

lotfi1971 Posted 2008-08-25

The problem of Algerians and Moroccans is like the shepherd and the farmer. They are quarreling on everything. I am sorry for this harsh proverb but this is the sour reality. The two people are living submerged (in mud). They are always fighting over land or money…which don’t belong to either of them. Officials on both sides always celebrate on whiskey and ricar tables in Europe while the people are living in misery. Personally I don’t call for rebellion or revolt against the officials. This is impossible. We just want an end to the war of words between the two people. Salam alikum Muslims and Arabs.

nacer Posted 2008-08-25

The financial leaders in questions should take care of their own finances. Algeria doesn't need to open the border. Each man for himself and God for everyone. Take note! Bye.

جيلالي Posted 2008-08-25

The reality is that Algeria is great by its men, women, kids and resources granted by God. Whatever happens in Algeria including terrorist acts, Algeria and its people are steadfast. We will never sell our pure land. We are free in the pure Algeria. We don’t accept slavery and humiliation. Concerning the country of Morocco, I never heard of it. So please tell me where it is located.

AL MAGHAREBI Posted 2008-08-25

Salam alikum. In reality, the person who said that Arabs agreed to disagree didn’t lie. Oh people, can’t you find that your scent has spread out to the point that it is smelled by the sons of monkeys and pigs. Now they are laughing at us. Maybe we are the cause in letting them offend the dear prophet. They found incredible stupidity and idiocy in us. They found us sunken in idleness. To the participants in this forum, this is an opportunity for us, the Moroccan and Algerian peoples, to be united and say in one voice yes we want to open borders not just for the economy. We want to erase them from existence and from our memories. I personally will be happy if Morocco and Algeria become one country not governed by Bouteflika or Mohamed VI. A state that chooses freely its ruler. A state which achieves integration in the economic, agricultural and tourism sectors…Oh peoples of Algeria and Morocco, both of us are oppressed in the same degree and in the same way (poverty, unemployment, coercive repression and violence…). Our borders have been closed for over 14 years. This forum is the only opportunity to meet again not to insult each other but to get acquainted, exchange educational and professional knowledge. I know that those who insult Morocco and Algeria are the Sahraoui mercenaries and military leaders from both countries (Morocco and Algeria). They begin their comments with insults so that both of us follow the same track. They try to sow between us hatred and animosity. Oh people there are no two countries who have the same religion, dialect, history and traditions except Morocco and Algeria. So why don’t we unite at least both peoples and let political leaders go to hell? Your Maghreb brother.

noureddine Posted 2008-08-25

As an Algerian citizen I say that both the Algerian government and people refuse any direct or indirect relationship. What do you want from Algeria and the Algerians? We blatantly reject your people and government in everything. So be free as we were, we are and we will stay. Has the Algerian president asked for borders to be opened in the name of his people, his government or his personal name? No, by God, no. Praise be to God. The messenger of God, peace and prayer of God be upon him, said “The higher hand is better than the lower. The proverb says, if you aren’t ashamed, do whatever you want. So be shameful. This is a shame and disgrace. The Algerian proverb says, begging is a result of defeat. You mention Algeria and the generals of Algeria. Do you want, cowards, to instigate the Algerian people against their rulers and create chaos in the country? You, cowards for the second time, want to start a fire and watch it from far away. The Algerian people are well aware of your ignorance and backwardness and reject you flatly. Ask yourselves or do you want me to tell you that half the budget of your country is spent on palaces and is shared out by the palace personnel? Isn’t this true? Remove the title of 08.08.08 “Financial leaders say a closed Moroccan-Algerian border is bad for business”. This is your personal viewpoint and not a common opinion. You consider drugs a trade and we consider them a plight and destructive. So you may practice your trade whatever it is with anyone you want but not with Algerians and Algeria. There is no trade between us. We don’t need you, God willing. We the Algerians both people and government are tired of this annoying scenario. So leave us in peace. Don’t talk about Algeria and Algerians. Forget and never mention the word border if you were free. Long live the person who knows his worth.

Sylvain Posted 2008-08-26

I am sorry to write in French, but I am French-Algerian. I am in favour of the border being closed. The Moroccans need to understand that Algeria does not need them so long as they do not question themselves. They need to adopt a more dignified attitude towards Algeria and the people of the region. Everyone should stay put!

CHIHAB Posted 2008-08-26

Personally, I am Algerian and we are impatiently waiting for the border to be opened. Those who are against the border being opened are not Algerians!

djam Posted 2008-08-26

That there is so much hatred and ignorance on both sides making such stereotypes and short-sighted images of the two countries and the two peoples has me staggering. I personally have an Algerian mother and a Moroccan father who immigrated at a very young age to Algeria. I grew up in this country and I did not return to Morocco until a few years ago. Beyond just the matters of politics and financial interests, we also need to think about the separated families that are torn apart by the border between they two countries, which are so close and yet so far away.

Jamal KORCH Posted 2008-08-26

All of today’s conflict has not escaped international scrutiny, given the specific situation of the era, especially given liberalisation, financial crisis, international economy, the rising cost of living, oil and water wars, demographics, famine in Africa and, finally, the catastrophe of globalisation. Where can the conflict over opening the border between Morocco and Algeria be situated in this? The reality is that these two great African countries are trapped by history. And, the powers of this globe do not believe their eyes. It is thus that they do not want to lose this opportunity to make a maximum of profit. The two countries have good intentions, but, unfortunately, it is not in their power to solve this problem. The powers are spending fortunes to create problems in all the corners of the world so as to profit from this later. Today, there are no more local politics! We are talking about the international nowadays! Fortunately, Morocco adopted international policies years ago, otherwise the problem would be far more serious. Moroccan culture is diverse and radiant throughout the world, giving rise to the phenomenon of acculturation even with countries far away such as, to be more specific, China. This permits us to indubitably live in a neighbourly way. That said, it is necessary that these two countries, Morocco and Algeria, adopt a win-win policy between themselves and with the world’s powers. New information and communication technology has already mollified the handicap the border represents. The world of finance is making good performance via the circulation of capital. Thus, opening the border between Morocco and Algeria comprises a humane element more than anything else. This is fraternity!

MouradNY Posted 2008-08-26

Dear Sir This is the 2nd sending My comment : Mourad NY Posted 18 days ago .."" has been changed when translated to the french version specially and the most important last sentence: ""It’s time for the “king” to come down to earth to see that he is not perfect."" MUST BE TRANSLATED TO: "" Il est temps pour le Roi de descendre sur terre pour voir qu'il n'est pas parfait. "" Please have the french version corrected. Thank you

Thank you for your interest in Magharebia. This error has been corrected.

BENAOUDA Posted 2008-08-27

What sort of finances are you speaking of, you ignoramus? All of Algeria’s money is being diverted into Swiss, French and other banks by the generals. This is what cost Boudiaf his life, because he wanted to restore them in Paris but the French government refused out of complicity!

gol Posted 2008-08-27

As of late, Morocco is reaping what it sowed in the past, namely that is: its support for the Algerian FLN in Algeria’s independence and its financing of the ANC against apartheid in South Africa. The fateful irony of it is that Algeria and South Africa are the fulcrum of the core countries against Morocco’s territorial integrity! It would be worth it for the irresponsible heads of Morocco to take measure of their magnitude of their damage, as they have brought harm upon Morocco by radically changing foreign policy. Today, Morocco is a stuffed turkey!

Kabs Posted 2008-08-27

I pity those Algerians who have so much hate in their hearts. Well, why so much hatred? They hold a grudge against the entire world. They hold a grudge against the French because they colonised them. The Algerians even want to fight them. They hate the Tunisians because they are more advanced. They do not like the Spanish and Americans because they support Morocco. They insult the United Nations and van Walsum because they did not like the resolution. And, finally, they hold a grudge against the Moroccans for events started by people who are no longer in power and who are even dead and buried (for example: Basri). I suggest that you go take care of yourselves before taking care of others because you have a problem with yourselves. Rid yourself of your hatred and your hearts will suffer less.

ennems Posted 2008-08-27

I greet all my fellow internet-goers on this site and my Moroccan brothers, whom I love and respect; This is the first time I am posting on your website and that is why I ask for you hospitality. Allow me to remind you that the problem with the border is but a thorn in the side of the Grand Maghreb, which, alas, is only a dream now. My dear neighbours in the West, East and South, allow me, who, according to myself, is a an average, modest Algerian, to say that it is more useful for this damned border to remain shut. The only well thought-out and positive decision the Algerian authorities correctly made in the last 15 years was to have closed the border with Morocco. It would be more astute—I mean to say: “wise”—to close the one with Tunisia, because it really serves no purpose. The person who had this idea was an Algerian, who deserves both to be called such and all of our gratitude and respect. The best thing in the interest of Algeria and its people is for the border to remain shut. An internet-goer was quite right to advise that a 10-metre tall wall be built. Even better, I personally further advise them to add electrified barbed wire, stations with armed border guards every two hundred metres and a mine field 50 metres out to that. The border with Morocco was and still is the principal source of our being tormented and drowned in marijuana and hard drugs. We need to have the courage to recognise this sad affair for what it is. With regards to opening the border, Morocco is indeed the one that…

BEN Posted 2008-08-27

Bravo Djam! Here we have a sensible point of view that demonstrates the Algerian-Moroccan border being shut is an act against nature. This never happened during the history of the Maghreb except during the troubled colonial period, which played a determinant role in the liberalisation of Algeria. Of course, you want to experiment with your patriotism, knowing on Algeria or Morocco as if these were two distinct people with nothing connecting them to each other. Bologna! This is the wrong fight! Either that or we are frankly lacking in patriotism! Dear commenters, especially the Algerian ones, aim to recognise the glorious and honourable political decisions. Closing the border was a humiliating act that insults the past, the present and the future. Know too that the Algerian people were never associated with this or any other decision. Likewise, so that this will be clear, it has always been this way despite everything that Morocco has never stopped enduring. This is a people who simply consider neighbourliness to be holy and never joke around with bloodlines and the fraternity that comes from battle. So, be reserved with your damaging comments. How many irresponsible leaders are there whom the Algerian people cannot change, no matter their point of view?

SALIM Posted 2008-08-28

Thank you, Mr Korch, for your analysis, but how can we explain all of this to our heinous generals, businessmen and traffickers? They are devoid of any sense of humanity. The only thing that interests them is humiliating the Algerian people and pillaging their wealth. They are able to do anything for their personal interest, even massacre an entire population. They do not have hearts. Take, for example, the Harki Belkheir who assassinated Boudiaf with his accomplices, Touati and Smaïn and took his place over there in Morocco. You know quite well that he was the one who created the Polisario and said that the Polisario was a thorn in Morocco’s side. So, do not be optimistic about a united Maghreb when we do not even know how to rid ourselves of this gangrene that is rotting away the whole region. Thank you, Magharebia.

Verite- act 1 Posted 2008-08-28

Nassima; The Polisario has nothing to do with this affair; they are people who have been manipulated just like the rest of the world. In every country in the world there are always separatists and those who oppose the regime in power, and this is even so in the so-called democratic countries like France, which has Corsica, Brittany and so on. In Spain, there are the Basques, but they handle their problems intelligently and co-operatively. But, unfortunately, such is not the case here: each country wants to weaken its neighbours at all costs, creating problems that even interfere in their domestic politics. Everyone knows that the most ignorant of the Polisario heads is a Moroccan who was born in Marrakesh, that most of the lieutenants are Mauritanian and that most of the refugees in Tindouf are starving people from the desert. So much the better for them that they are fed by the international community! The Algerian generals made a president out of Abdelaziz, the Marrakchi, even though he was nothing but a simple citizen of Morocco. How else do you explain how he gets a piece of the pie as do his cohorts? The questions that comes to mind now is just how long is this scenario going to continue and just how long are the people of the Maghreb going to suffer from the foolishness and ignorance of certain irresponsible leaders? (To be continued)

FATHI Posted 2008-08-28

Please, keep your hashish for yourself! We don't need you Moroccans!

Thizi Posted 2008-08-28

Let us stop insulting one another and take a look at things soberly. You have inherited a king; we inherited a president, who, moreover, came from over there. We have the same social and cultural problems that are engendering religious fundamentalism and terrorism. What is happening to us risks happenings to all the Muslim countries where the head of state continued to be canonised while telling us that all our problems come from our neighbours.

SIDALI Posted 2008-08-28

When we read these comments we would think that they are between Arabs and Jews. Why this animosity my brothers? All these are the thoughts of the Jews, may God curse them. Ramadan is coming soon. We are all brothers and Muslims. God knows the insides of hearts.

Ego Posted 2008-08-28

Come on! Kabs, what you wrote here is just leftovers. Find something else that is new! You will be more of an innovator!

riad Posted 2008-08-28

First of all, hello everyone! Having read three quarters of your comments, I want to say **** the Algerians and **** the Moroccans. You are two little, miniscule, **** countries! Look around yourselves and then look to the North— France-Germany! They had millions of deaths, warred for ages and they don’t even have the same language—they speak English to one another!—and look at them today! But, when it comes to us, we are real idiots. “I’ve got oil!” “I’ve got terrorism!” Look to the future together: two heads are better than one! You say that I am a dreamer, that this is a utopia, but then, of course, the European Union was once a dream and a utopia. I am part Algerian and part Moroccan and currently living in France. I assure you that they have nothing more than us and yet they always manage to find a compromise. Why can’t we do this? Goodnight, bled of my parents, bled of mine!

slim16 Posted 2008-08-29

Kabs; You disappoint me. You never stop posting this rant of yours. Aren’t you tired? Or, is it that you have no more new worthwhile arguments? I will repeat once more that Algeria does not bear a grudge against anybody. France and Spain are our first-class economic partners; we have no problems with the Tunisians; and, van Walsum was just removed by the UN, such that this one less problem and one more victory for the Sahrawis. Everything is fine in the best place in the world. I suggest that you yourself do away with your hatred and look beyond these policies, which have your spinning in circles.

mohammed Posted 2008-08-29

Eh Moroccans, we don’t want Algeria to become a shelter for spies and drug traffickers, is that clear?

mohammed Posted 2008-08-29

No to conspiracies, plots, sorcery, drugs, smuggling, spying and of course no to normalization with Israel.

Ennem's Posted 2008-08-29

(Here is the continuation of the comment that I posted earlier and that I noticed was truncated due to its length. I will post the remainder. Happy reading!) It is indeed Morocco that will be the one to win across the board while Algeria will be the loser. It is pointless to remind our brother Moroccans that we love tourism such that brother Morocco alone makes five to six billion US dollars from us off of it a year while our country gets nothing. We love our Moroccan brothers so long as they are over there and we are to feel quite at home here. Opening the border would be the most serious catastrophic mistake committed by Algeria if it ever were to let itself slip down this dangerous slope. It would be better if we were to learn the art of trade regulations while cleaning our slate of the devastating schemes of the traffickers who are ruining us. In contrast to these drugs, which are ruining our young people, the Algerians are selling off their basic commodities bought at the price of gold. Everything that goes to Morocco is bought in hard cash only to end up in the stores of the border towns in exchange for kif from the Moroccan Rif. It is not pointless to remind you that in spite of the border being closed, deadly poisons continue to flood our local drug market. The big wigs continue to import entire cargo loads of agricultural products while the Algerians continue to provide the Moroccan market with fuel and even medicine at below-market prices. Let us pray that our leaders will not be bound by the sirens’ calls. I have no bitterness at all; I am just an Algerian who is desirous of his ancestors’ country and his children’s country. And, I am proud of it! –Ennem’s

mohammed Posted 2008-08-29

Who made a conspiracy against prince Abdelkader? Who entered an alliance with France? Ask history and it will answer you. Ask Mohamed Hassanine Haykal and he will answer you. Who made a plot against the five leaders? Who plotted against Houari Boumediene in the conference of Al Khartoum? Who preferred to celebrate with Chirac when African leaders decided to remove the blockade on Algeria and came to Houari Boumediene airport in 1999? History, history. Read the statements of El Ayada and Haykal in the Middle East. We consider the Moroccan people a brother nation and a neighbour. Our problem is the same as that of the Moroccan people with the plotters against the Maghreb region. Do you understand? History, history.

aress Posted 2008-08-29

What business are you talking about??? Aggghhh!!!

Ego Posted 2008-08-30

How long has it been, Slim? We were beginning to get worried about your noted absence! You see, we had the same reply for your false friend, Kabs, who lumped all Algerians in together. Kabs, my grandmother is in favour of the Western Sahara being joined with Morocco without the Sahrawis giving their opinion, so why are you moaning about her having an illness that she does not have? I hear you moaning, Kabs! Is this not because you have contracted the illness you attribute to the Algerians! Poor Kabs! Keep moaning—you’ve got a reason now!

Kabs Posted 2008-08-30

The truth is, Slim, that I am tired of seeing these people throwing around their hatred and venom all day long. I am tired of seeing so much contempt and human stupidity. The Arabs only know how to make insults and hit below the belt. Even our century’s greatest example offers no inspiration. The Arabs do not even deserve democracy, as they are so intolerant that they only know the law of the sword. And, there is no lack of examples: Mauritania, Palestine and so on all see that their methods are not working but they keep right on with them. In Europe, they say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"; the Arabs say, "You don’t fix what is broken". Salutations from Casa, as Slim says.

معروف Posted 2008-08-30

Morocco is a country colonised by Israel. Who is the advisor of the king?

Lamia Posted 2008-08-30

Kabs; You talk about hate, but your words reek of hatred and stupidity. The proof is in how you never stop generalising. For my Moroccan friends, yes, we do have terrorism and we would never wish this upon anybody. However, this does not prevent us from being Muslims or believing in Allah. Instead of criticising and instead of wiping out an entire nation of Muslims, what is necessary for a Muslim is a halal ouled. I mean to say, may Allah guide you and may Allah restore you. I will not stoop so low as to criticise an entire nation, because the people are not their political system or politicians. There are different people throughout a nation. On Judgement Day, I will no longer be Algerian and you will not longer be Moroccan; rather we will just be creatures of God’s acts. I am directing these words at all the Algerians who criticise the Moroccans and all the Moroccans who criticise the Algerians, both enjoying the misfortune of their brothers. May Allah guide you!

didi Posted 2008-08-30

The moroccans have a word called Diali. It is ubiqutous in their language. They are obsessed and paranoiac and always think that half of Algeria belongs to them. Give me a break.

شفار Posted 2008-08-31

When you read the Moroccans' comments, you might think that Morocco is something imaginary for those who don’t know the Moroccans. However, ask the people of knowledge if you don’t know. We have visited Morocco and we know it pretty well. Anyway, free Moroccans know themselves and we know them. In 1989, I went to Morocco and was surprised with its oil, onions, fuel and meat. So where is the presumed economy? However, kif and drugs are abundant like currency. Finally, Morocco is the country of free people. It is occupied by Israel in a firm way to get to Algeria. But it is beyond the reach of Israel to reach free Mujahids who freed their country and didn’t sell the Sahara for their independence. Do you know that the kingdom of Morocco is governed from Tel Aviv 67?

mohamed Posted 2008-08-31

We do not need you,Algerians,keep the border 4ever i dont like you, terrorist

سامي المغربي Posted 2008-08-31

This is a barren discussion. Morocco hasn’t died of thirst or starved by the closure of borders. If a referendum is suggested to the Algerian people for open borders, the sweeping majority will vote yes. The living conditions in Morocco are better than in Algeria. This is confirmed by the Algerians themselves despite the billions of dollars earned from oil. The voice of wisdom calls for union. If you refuse it, this is your problem. However, the roof of our house is made of iron and its cornerstone is of stone. The Sahara is Moroccan. This is settled, whether you want or not. Morocco is in its Sahara. There is no power on earth which can change this reality. There is no power on earth which can take the Moroccan Sahara from Morocco. Long live Morocco always free and proud.

ameur Posted 2008-09-01

I am sad to read all of these comments. I get the impression of living in the Middle Ages. These are two people with the same origin, same religion, same language and so on. It is a shame to see a new generation behave like ignoramuses and have no vision for the future. It would be enough just to look just beyond the border a continent called Europe, which has united 27 countries with different cultures. I am ashamed!

ANE ONYM Posted 2008-09-01

I am surprised that in this forum my Moroccan brothers are claiming the land that belongs to my Sahrawi brothers, another state that we should not forgot to integrate into the Arab Maghreb Union. And, these Moroccans are forgetting about the coastal lands of Ceuta and Melilla, which are occupied by the Spanish. Brother Gol even praises his Spanish neighbours who still occupy these lands. You have not been able to even get back a rock from them. What else are you ready to offer the Europeans to win their sympathy? There lies the difference between the two peoples. As for oil, praise be to God, the Lord gives according to our hearts (on account of hearts), and at least we have this. You Tunisians, you aspired to take advantage of our times of troubles in order to progress. Sincerely, I know these two countries well, since I lived a while in each. You only sell your souls to the tourists, who mow you over, taking advantage of Tunisian and Moroccan cheapness. The only difference I note between our landscapes is the presence of old, whit retirees in Tunisia and Morocco. I currently live in Algeria, and there are suicide bombings and attacks, but I am less afraid of that than falling into the hands of the Moroccan police, losing my job in Morocco or being obliged in some way or another to sell my dignity for a piece of bread. We will leave you to your Europeans, Americans and, currently even the Israelis to get your crumbs and sell the little that you can sell. But, be nice and stop asking for us to open the border: I do not want my children to have access to your various drugs. Moreover, your late king was the one who introduced the visa! Did you forget that? –A Kabyle who is proud of Algeria!

noureddine Posted 2008-09-01

Be free instead of begging and witching. Don’t you know that the upper hand is better than the lower hand? Your repeated request is annoying, unlike your claims, lies and pretensions. I am a citizen and not a general. You say that generals are so and so. You say that they write and if they write they are Algerians. You can’t, as you are illiterate, provoke a nation against its rulers whatever the degree of your brazenness and stupidity. Both the government and people of Algeria are aware of your criminal and animus plans to the country of a million and a half martyrs. You insult our rulers and accuse the generals of the country… During the liberation war of Algeria, the issue of the plane in direction of Tunisia boarding 5 major leaders of the revolution to attend a meeting scheduled in Tunisia. But you have mixed up everything upside down. You have diffused all the facts of the secret meeting to the enemy at the time by getting close to them as you do now. Your king left in a plane by himself instead of accompanying the Algerian leaders. It was a scheduled plan which just needed implementation on the territory of Algeria. However, for the good intention and good luck, you were disappointed because God the Almighty is aware of everything. Your abject plan failed. What a stigma of shame in your abject history as well. Immediately after the independence, you wanted to enter and control the south of the country but you faced the courageous resistance. There are things which remain in memories and which can never be forgotten until God inherits the Earth and everything on it. This speech will be continued. The repeated request of your king to open borders and throwing you on the sides and borders of the country so that he lives in luxury and extravagance with his cortege and others he chooses, isn’t this true? So take care of your people ruler. Don’t consider yourself more than what you are. You are just a human being. So rely on God and on yourself. Stretch your hand to your people and stop lowering your vituperation and virtue. I have explained the cause of your insistence in two lines. All Moroccans can also live in Morocco. They don’t need anyone. By God the Almighty, the only condition is that you be fair with all the sons of Morocco. Don’t beg anyone whether close or remote. Don’t make your people believe in insubstantial things. Are borders something concrete? No. You are just trying to drive away the people.

mourad NY Posted 2008-09-02

It’s time to correct many of the misleading writings or pure and poor lies expressed in this forum. People are not stupid and nowadays it’s easy to learn about a nation’s history and its facts Facts: a) No “”Arab”” country including Morocco or Tunisia has patriotically helped Algeria during its revolution against France. No Arab (maybe a very few…a tiny ones ..) were fighting along the Algerian against the French, but believe it or not there were some French people who fought with the Algerians . While Algerian were fighting and killed during the Algeria war ,all of those so called “” brothers, sisters “” nations had their cuts, specially Morocco and Tunisia. We now know the hypocrisy of our neighbors who made blood money by taking a cut in the arms trade. So please stop saying that Morocco and Tunisia were fully supporting the Algerian war: Morocco and Tunisia had a very good life with their French “friends”” while Algerians were suffering and dying. Enough is enough !!. b) Soon after its independence Algeria was attacked by Morocco, these dearly “”brothers”” who love to stab you in the back in order to follow a creasy dream of “”Grand Maroc””.. Same policy with the Prolisario who was not only left to deal by itself against the Spanish colonization, but also was stabbed in the back by Morocco who collided with Spain. Same thing with Mauritania when Morocco in 1960 did not recognized (no diplomatic relation..) Mauritania' independence for 9 years..because, once again Morocco has a great ilusion of “Grand Maroc and wanted Mauritania to be part of its territory. Then in 1975, Morocco tried to take over the Spanish occupation of the Western Sahara by splitting the Western Sahara territory with Mauritania (2 parts for me. 1 part for you…. 1 part for you…)W

Anonymous Posted 2008-09-02

My dear sister, Our real terrorists are on the highest summits of the state. All of their hands are dirtied with the blood of Algerians.

HAOUAT Posted 2008-09-02

These ignoramuses are being manipulated by the powers that be. We were raised to hate one another. When we were young, the Moroccans were extraterrestrials to us. This was of course before we knew them, but it continues today with even more young people. If you want proof, it is enough to just watch Lemhatma on Algerian television or listen to the radio.

noureddine Posted 2008-09-02

I am an Algerian citizen. I am 38. Why have you not published the comment I posted yesterday? Is it because it tells the truth all the truth about your ruler? I don’t say the king because the king is God. Your ruler is just a human being like you. Morocco belongs to all of you and you have the right to live in it with freedom. He wants to throw you to borders because he knows that you want to know everything that happens in his backstage. Borders are of no use. You are the biggest hypocrites. You say that oil will be depleted and want to open borders only for this reason. When it will be depleted, as you say, what would you do then? You say that Morocco is so and so and that there is this and that. So keep your rich Morocco for yourself. Keep your tourism and poverty as well. Leave us in peace. Where were you when Algeria was in a ruthless war? Today your rulers talks about cooperation in fighting terrorism. Where was he during the years of embers? It was him who accused the Algerian intelligence services of the Casablanca attacks. Then your minister imposed the visa on the sons of a million and half martyrs. We were nobler than you. Our response was by closing borders because Algerians go to Morocco or any other country to spend money. Today your ruler asks for borders to be open. Let us in peace, respect yourselves and don’t put yourselves in more embarrassment. Oil will be depleted, so better keep borders closed.

محمد يوسف Posted 2008-09-02

I am Algerian and hope from my heart that borders will be opened.

Kabs Posted 2008-09-02

I see that I hurt a lot of people, but, as the saying goes, the truth hurts. All you have to do is take an average of the number of hateful messages that were posted by your compatriots and you will see that almost 80% of them were denigrating or uttering insults. Before, I used to think that it was only our politicians who were encouraging intolerance in light of their little political schemes. I was surprised to see that the people also are radically changing towards hating one another or, at least, most of them are. And, this is for reasons I consider stupid. Why is the border between Spain and Morocco open in spite of drugs, illegal immigration and contraband? This is simply because Spain is a mature, civilised country that is sure of itself. Spain is a country of openness, a developed country and it has a strong, well-performing customs agency, which manages to contain trafficking. But, as always, I am going to say, “The Arabs agree to disagree”. I consider Algeria to be a spoiled child who was poorly brought up and who was given a lot of money— petrodollars— but has become intolerable because of the money he got.

sphax Posted 2008-09-02

It would be better if you left your muck back home, because we Algerians are democrats and democracy is not really your thing: you are living in another era so you can just stay there. What is more, we are going to wait around for Moh XI before things get okay.

slim16 Posted 2008-09-02

Hi Ego, Kabs and all the Algerian and Moroccan Internet-goers, Happy Ramadan to all the Muslims of the world! Vacation is over and we can take up our favourite discussion again. However, because we are in the midst of Ramadan, the month of piety, it is necessary that we have good discussions and forget about any kind of slander so that we may be people well educated in Islam. This is why I would like to repeat the words of a great gentleman, William Shakespeare, who said: “Ere you flout old ends any further, examine your conscience.” Another saying goes: “No human being has the right to make himself a judge over others.” Happy Ramadan everybody! Praise God, let us forget our quarrels! —From Algiers, Bye

ريماس جزائرية حتى النخاع Posted 2008-09-02

Unfortunately, Algeria is bordered by a country of drugs, prostitution and witchcraft. These aren’t my allegations. This is said by the Moroccan reporter, the son of your country, Youssef Boukachouch. He knows your conditions better than we do. He was killed by the corrupt hands because he said the truth and only the truth. So why do you blame Algeria because it doesn’t want to open borders so that you won’t corrupt its young people? Praise be to God because Spain is making a balance so that you run away to it from humiliation, poverty and the dictatorship of the king. As regards Western Sahara, Algeria helps it to liberate it from the foxes and not because it is interested in its land. Praise be to God, Algeria is stable in its country. It is you who need it in order to plant Hashish. May God heal you from your envy and the illness called the Algerian oil.

mourad NY Posted 2008-09-02

Sorry to be cut due to the length requirement: here is the rest of my comment: Then in 1975, Morocco tried to take over the Spanish occupation of the Western Sahara by splitting the Western Sahara territory with Mauritania (2 parts for me. 1 part for you…) Why would you split a territory if it belongs to you ?? c) Morocco faint to ignore or try to forget the raisons of the closed Morocco-Algerian borders by once again attacking Algeria with the Prolisario question.. Morocco must be thinking that the best defense is the attack but since Algerians are Algerians there is no need to bring back that border problem as long as Morocco does not recognized its terrible mistakes and starts to repair them in a dignified way: no more baloney !! apologize, pay or shut up. d) Algerians are Algerians, we may or not have Berber, Arab, Muslim or other types of blood but we are not Arabs, we are ALGERIANS. So please learn your history before making a fool of yourself and stop these patronizing remark regarding fake brotherhood among Arabs or Muslim. HAPPY RAMADHAN

سليم Posted 2008-09-03

Peace, mercy and blessings of God be upon you. I am from Algeria the Arab and Muslim country. To my brothers in Morocco, I tell you to stop the insults. This one says that Algeria has reimbursed its debts and it is in the developing process. Another one says that he is proud of his dignity. I will tell you something important. Look at the Christians and Jews, how many steps have they made towards economic progress? And how many steps have gone back? What can we say while our brothers are slain in Palestine and Iraq? I tell you stop it. Praise be to God. The solution is reconciliation and returning to origins. We ask God to guide us, unite our ranks and make us one people in the real meaning of the word. This is all. Peace, mercy and blessings of God be upon you.

andré Posted 2008-09-03

You know quite well that the generals and the DRS are in charge of Algeria! And, I will not hide from you that these same generals are serving the French army and they are making the Moroccans pay for the support Mohammed V and Hassan II gave to the FLN.

RASLEBOL Posted 2008-09-03

This rotten Polisario have **** the Maghreb with the help of the ignorant, irresponsible military junta in the Algerian government.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-03

Moroccans are the servants of France and the friends of Israel. Read well the book of Gilles Perrault: “Mon Ami le Roi” (My friend the king). However, we love them as much as they hate us because they are our brothers in the common destination, religion and many things. We are really and honestly sorry for them. Al Jazeera has broadcasted a documentary showing a father selling his daughter in the market and many other things. Everything that Morocco boasts of as a cultural heritage is a product of Algeria, made in Algeria. Almohade dynasty was founded by Abdelmoumen Ben Ali the Algerian from Nedrouma. Even Mauritania and Senegal may boast of Morocco because they have founded the Almoravide dynasty. To sum up, we welcome you at any time but without drugs, witchcraft or thinking of smuggling, plotting and spying. We are sure that there are in Morocco nice, pious and righteous people. I apologize to these people in advance. They understand my words in the right way. Algeria is their country and it always welcomes them. We only reject one particular category. It is the category of spies, drug-smugglers and plotters against the security and stability of Algeria. Morocco has waged wars on its neighbours Algeria, Mauritania and Western Sahara. But it has forgotten the two occupied cities of Ceuta, Mellila and Perejil Isle. When Morocco thought of restoring that isle, it found itself in a mess. It is a rock a few meters far from its coasts, it is incredible. If this rock were Algerian, the Algerian people would have liberated it with stones without using arms. I advise you to let the Sahara with its own business because it is eating your heads and you aren’t aware of that.

hmidou Posted 2008-09-03

You Moroccans, you wash your face and the rest of you with ..... but fine /you have what//nothing/nothing at all:Education: you are the most illiterate country in Africa, corruption is infernal; the rest, you know what I am talking about; Let's not even mention:begging, which at its apex:poverty:you know is one of your most famous scourges and the tourists, about who you dare speak so proudly, convey this to the rest of the world, while you seem proud of it. What a joke. Only you could do this.

INTEGRE Posted 2008-09-03

Before I read these conflicts here, I thought that the hurdle to building the Great Arab Maghreb was a hurdle made by politicians and their supporters. But it became clear that as Maghreb people, we are still very underdeveloped, chauvinist, fanatic and ignorant of what the political propaganda circulates. Show us more of these ugly bigotries. Disgusting.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-03

The Moroccans are servants to the French, who do not care about them. Read Gilles Perrault’s “Our friend, the King”!!!

Anonymous Posted 2008-09-04

Sphax is just too funny!!! Poor thing...

OBSERVATEUR-perez Posted 2008-09-04

I cannot manage to understand how a handful of cowardly generals can completely destroy the will and flourishing of the proud, commanding people that are the Algerians. This is a people who gave one and a half million martyrs! I thank you to answer me. If Mr Bouteflika is truly a former combatant, then he ought to resign.

ABDALLAH (HAMMBHOURG)ALLEMAGNE. Posted 2008-09-04

The border between the Republic of Algeria and the Kingdom of Morocco needs to be opened immediately be opened. Why?... Because Mohamed VI, King of Morocco, and Abdelaziz Bouteflika are both great diplomats and very intelligent. They know what politics mean and they know that the Moroccan and Algerian people are brothers, melded together since their respective independence. All of this is because of Israel, which created fitna in the Grand Maghreb. God willing, the Algerian president will get a third term and will open the border with our Moroccan brothers because they are our neighbours and brothers. Long live the Grand Arab Maghreb! Long live Morocco! Long live Algeria! Happy Ramadan to all Arab Muslims....

noureddine Posted 2008-09-04

Please remove the annoying title which says "Financial leaders say closed borders... is bad for business". The Algerian people and the Algerian government know that your financial leaders are drug barons in Moroccan Rif. This is your trade Moroccans. So keep your trade for yourself.

RAHOU Posted 2008-09-05

The Algerian government is doing its all in order to stifle Morocco with the creation of the Saharan affair and with the border being closed. Fortunately, Spain is on the other side of the Mediterranean and they are a civilised people without any bitterness. Be mindful that these are a very helpful people.

sa3ida fikri Posted 2008-09-05

Hi. I am a Sahraoui man of Sahraoui origins. I am proud of my Sahraoui origins. I praise God because I am not Moroccan with my respects to a minority of the Moroccan people. This is caused by the authorities who are responsible for everything happening in the Sahara. We the Sahraoui people have our opinion and hold on to it. Isn’t Morocco the state of freedom and stability? By God, which freedom are you talking about? Now you are saying that Algeria is the cause of postponement of all decisions. This is because it supports the Sahraoui cause. If we stay away from politics and gossip, aren’t we Arabs? Even better than this, we are Muslims and we were privileged by God over all religions. Stop, stop all this. Let’s be united. We are the best nation raised for humanity. Let’s forget these fake conflicts. The land doesn’t belong to anyone. We will all die. God alone will remain, He doesn’t die. A young man who is jealous for this religion and the Arab world in general. Please forgive me for this expressions which is not adequate. God is the assistant.

REZKI Posted 2008-09-05

There is no need to expect anything from a regime based on violence and predation: it has very little chance of creating ties with its neighbours, which it did not know how to or did not want to establish with its own population. This is a regime that betrayed our history, our values, a million and a half martyrs, the Algerian people and, in the end, the hopes of an entire nation.

RECHID Posted 2008-09-05

There is no need to hold a grudge against Sphax: he is a little, immature nutjob! How is that for you???

mohammed Posted 2008-09-05

Why do we ignore sometimes smuggling? Because we know that the residents of Oujda are Algerian. They need us. Oujda is the Algerian city which was built by the Algerian traders as a rest area from the fatigue of the travel. They know this. This is why they have joined Prince Abdelkader and paid allegiance to him. This had stirred the anger of the Makhzen and the king at that time. Therefore, Morocco cooperated with France to defeat the prince. We know that Morocco is making life hard for our brothers in Oujda. What can be done? There are international covenants. Has Oujda become like Gaza? Read history. Your regime has made you ignorant and therefore you aren’t good in making arguments. How many university, high institute and schools do you have?

سوسي Posted 2008-09-05

Peace and mercy of God be upon you. Morocco and Algeria are two neighbouring countries. They have many common features. But I think that the cause of our endless conflict is ignorance and narrow-mindedness. In order to live in peace, we must go through many phases including this gratuitous animosity we are living today. Afterwards, there might be a bloodshed between us the same as it happened in France in the French revolution, in Germany the World War, Britain and other foreign countries. We will fight first. When we will become exhausted, we will reconcile with each other. But after what are we going to reconcile? Our noble religion is a religion of tolerance, so why don’t we forgive? Blessed Ramadan. We ask God to accept from you and us.

سوسي Posted 2008-09-05

Two powerless nations are fighting about matters which are far beyond their reach. Insult today, insult tomorrow and insult the day after tomorrow. Release all the repression that is inside of you. I ask God to heal you from this illness. My brother commenter, you should know that you are worthless in face of for your regime. So why do you create this gratuitous animosity? There is no power and no will but from God the Almighty. Happy Ramadan.

VERITE Posted 2008-09-06

Algeria’s misfortune lies in Bouteflika being nothing more than a puppet in the hands of the military junta in power and in our army being infiltrated by you-know-who!

مغاربي من أب مغربي و أم جزائرية Posted 2008-09-06

Why does Algeria call for the independence of the Sahara? Why is it working for the establishment of another country in the region? Are there no common features between the two brotherly nations which will unite the brothers? Think about the best. Use your reason people. There is no need to fish in dirty waters. We will just reap more misery. Long live Algeria free. Long live Morocco proud. Long live the Maghreb forward for a better future for our Maghreb sons.

صوابي Posted 2008-09-07

In reply to Rimass, Algerian to the bone. It is a pity that your comment includes some insult to your second country as you have accused Mohamed the sixth of dictatorship. This is news for me. Mohamed the sixth has an open heart and strong will. He always extends his hand for the good with everyone. Borders, whether they are closed or open, won’t harm Morocco in any way and Algeria as well. You talked in your comment about drugs, prostitution and witchcraft. This doesn’t exist only in Morocco; it also exists even in Algeria and other countries. Morocco is a safe and prosperous country under the leadership of his majesty the king Mohamed the sixth may God grant him glory. Stop hatred and insults. Morocco is the brother of Algeria and so is Algeria. As regards the topic of the Sahara, Morocco is in its Sahara whether you like it or not.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-10

Come on my Maghreb brothers. Let’s learn from each other and look at things reasonably. We shouldn’t indulge a dialog of dumb people and argue without prior knowledge. To tell you the truth, you are like people who are under the effect of hashish and they see a coq as a donkey. No brothers. The truth is testimony of the enemies. French people have written a book about the late king Hassan II “Mon Ami le Roi”; they also wrote a book about Boumediene “The strategy of Boumediene”. So read the book “La stratégie de Boumèdiène” by Balta Paul and compare its content to “Mon Ami le Roi” by Gilles Perrault!!!

mohammed Posted 2008-09-10

The Algerian people have a historical, religious and philosophical background which it will never forsake. Take as an example the statement of the scholar Sheikh Abdelhamid Ben Badis : We love humanity and consider it as one entity. We love our country and consider it as a part. We love those who love humanity and serve it. We hate those who hate it and treat it unjustly. We never forget that the first person who brought the idea of human rights was Prince Abdelkader the Algerian. He saved thousands of Christians in Al Sham. So there is nothing strange if you find us today supporting the Sahraoui people. We supported them yesterday, we support them today and will support them tomorrow with all forms of support, logistic, diplomatic and if necessary military. We are with the right.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-10

I want to correct to our Moroccan brothers about the Algerian people. We don’t hate them as some of them think. We love Morocco both its people and king. The leader Zighoud Youssef attacked French forces on the second year of the exile of King Mohammed V to Madagascar Island on August 20, 1955. The great King Mohammed V was exiled on August 20, 1953 to Madagascar. He did this attack in support of Morocco. There is no single Algerian city which doesn’t bear the name of King Mohammed V in one of its streets. Even if we don’t agree with King Hassan II, we love him and respect him. We wish stability and prosperity to Morocco under the leadership of his majesty king Mohammed VI. But this doesn’t prevent us from supporting the Sahraoui people. If Morocco claims Ceuta and Mellila, we will support it as well.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-11

It is true that Algeria has oil, gas and other resources, but despite this, the richness of Algeria doesn’t make it oppressive. The resources we are proud of are human resources. What is the value of money in the hands of a moron or idiot? We have won with money friends in the black continent. We supported oppressed nations such as Angola, Mozambique, Namibia, Zimbabwe as well as South Africa in its struggle against racism and other nations. How do you want us to deny our past and principles to satisfy you? The president Bouteflika nearly lost his seat when he committed a slight mistake in favour of you in Morocco when he shook hands with Barak during the funerals of the late king Hassan II. He did this just to satisfy you. So fear God my brothers. We don’t interfere with the affairs of other nations as you do. It was you who supported the dictator and robber Mobuto Seseseko. You sent an army to Zaire to support him as you were interested in 22 billions he plundered from his country. How was your share in the lump sum of money? We support the oppressed; our reward will be granted by God. We don’t want any thanks or reward from anyone. Now you world’s countries everyday recognizing the Sahraoui Arab Democratic Republic. But we wish you goodness and repentance to your Creator.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-12

It is high time for Moroccans to be aware of their mistakes and adjust this as soon as possible in reforming their negligence in knowing facts about modern Algeria. They should quickly send a delegation of expert spies supported by a group of experts in psychology and sociology. This might enlighten their way in knowing and understanding the psychology of the Algerian society and they want be trapped in committing serious foolishness. You should understand that Algeria isn’t Zaire of Mobutu Sese Seko and not a pleasure tour.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-13

Closed borders aren’t a major and substantial problem which requires all this noise and fuss. Borders will be opened one day, whether we want or not. No one can stand in the face of the flow of history. It is just a matter of time. There are files which must be reorganized on top of them the issue of Western Sahara. This issue also requires an emergent solution sooner or later with or without the consent of some. So there is no need to waste time anymore. Our Moroccan brothers should take care of their own businesses and stop harming the people of the Western Sahara. There is no more need to torture their brothers. Our Moroccan brothers should seriously think of restoring Ceuta, Melilla and Perijil Island from the Spanish. I ask them to follow the same way as their Algerian brothers in restores some military bases and Al Marsa Al Kabir from France. The unjust convention of Evian enacted the right of France to exploit Al Marsa Al Kabir for 15 years which can be renewed and the right of France to use the airports of Annaba and Boufarik and some bases in the Algerian Sahara to use them in nuclear tests. However, it was surprised one morning with the historical leader Ahmed Ben Bella notifying them with his decision to expel them from the Sahara. On February 12, 1968, the late leader surprised France with his decision to expulse it from Al Marsa Al Kabir and their quick withdrawal. The great nuclear state could only abide by the reality. So why don’t you take us my brothers as an example? Don’t expect that Spain will be generous to you and grant you your territories. Rights are taken by force and not with wishes. Leaving the Western Sahara for its own business is in your interest. Just try.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-13

Please correct this mistake in the English translation. During the funerals of the late King Mohamed 2. The name of the late king is Hassan II and not Mohamed II. Thank you.

Thank you for your interest in Magharebia. This error has been corrected.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-13

Our neighbours were plotting against the stability of our country. I am sad about this and I am sad to remember the plots of the two neighbours Libya and Morocco. Libya wants to divide Algeria by supporting terrorism in the south and attempting to set up a state there. Morocco supports terrorist groups under the leadership of Ayada by supplying the poisonous drugs and arms. When sun rises, everyone denies the marionettes they were controlling to attack the stability of Algeria. They present these marionettes to Algeria as if they did nothing. It is just one state which remained away from these conspiracies and plots. It is the brotherly Tunisia. Its people recognize the nobility of Algerians. The bloods of their sons mixed up with the bloods of Algerians in Sidi Youssef on February 8, 1958. Therefore, when a neighbouring regime thought of invading it, when the president Chedli Ben Jedid, may God grant him long life, was informed about this, he said to the leader of that chaotic regime: you should know that of you move one step towards Tunisia you will find me in Tripoli. So this chaotic regime rejected the idea of invading Tunisia. These statements were made by the former Tunisian Prime Minister Mohamed Mezalli to a TV channel. There’s no need to make free advertising to it. May God guide them.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-13

I just want to make this simple remark. You have translated “القارة السمراء” as the black continent. The translation may not be precise and it could be the common expression in English though I am not best in English.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-14

Whatever Algeria does, it cannot compete with Morocco in tourism. So the Moroccan brothers may rest easy. This is for one simple reason. The nature and characteristics of the Algerian including his nobility and pride, doesn’t make it possible for him to develop an active tourism in the same standard as tourism in Morocco. Moroccan tourism is founded on money laundering and trade in white slaves and hashish. May God curse funds which come in this way. May God curse money of prostitution, hashish, alcohol and debauchery. Our Moroccan brothers have to go through very long phases before understanding the true meaning of tourism. Tourism in modern nations is based on getting to know other nations, sharing the experiences of others and not illegal acts in all their forms, humiliation and degradation. Which is this tourism you are boasting of? They are preying on those who run away from their countries, who are expelled or dethroned whose pockets are filled with money they plundered from their countries like Mohamed Reda Bahlaoui, Shah of Iran, Mobuto Seseko and others. We don’t compete with you in this field. You are professional and expert in this. I tell you that if I were a powerful official, I would have banned the Algerians from going to your country to protect my nation from AIDS!

الى mohamed Posted 2008-09-16

Moroccan tourism is a developed tourism my honourable sir. It is based on openness to all markets and diversity of our product. It focuses different forms of tourism including culture, medical care, health, conferences, finance, business, biology, mountains and other types of tourism. Algeria cannot rival it as there is an absence of security. Moreover, the reputation of the country is worldly influenced by terrorism which eats away its body for years, the instability…When you cannot reach grapes, you say that they are sour. When you re-establish security in Algeria, when you will be able to convince the European citizen to come to a state corroded by terrorism and convince them that they won’t die, you can talk of terrorism. Your talk about dignity is idle. Misery, poverty, unemployment, prostitution and crime record their highest levels in Algeria. So don’t say that you are honest people because all the people know you.

Kabs Posted 2008-09-17

I love the Algerians who say: “We are defending the rights of the world’s oppressed people”; “We are offering our support to a just cause”; “We are defending international law”; “Algeria is here to ensure that the rights of the people are respected” and so on. You would think you were listening the USA justify sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. Indeed, the Algerians are angels with the sole goal in their lives of combating evil and bringing Good to reign. I think you read too many comic books. You need to stop reading Superman, Batman and such. I wonder how old you are. You give lessons to the entire world, while you yourselves are not even capable of handling your own affairs. The Sahel has become real sand in our eyes: Al Qaeda in the Maghreb, armed bands of Touaregs, the Polisario, smugglers and so on. Try working a little bit instead of sticking strictly to your wafty talk. Your oil money will not last forever.

QRAYIM Posted 2008-09-17

I was shocked by these comments. Some people say not to open the border, and others propose building a wall. I thought that the Moroccans and the Algerians—I am talking about the people here—would have been more mature than they have demonstrated here in their comments. There are many reasons why two people should live together without a border. The Moroccans are in the same boat as the Algerians: we have poverty, unemployment, insecurity, injustice and so on. Moreover, the values of both are the same. We have the same religion coming from one god and the same prophet. The Qu’ran that we read is not different. The language we use is the same. I think that we need to stop with this genre of polemics, which offer us nothing except an increase in hatred and animosity and, therefore, weakness and separation. Europe became strong because it put aside its so very numerous and profound differences and chose to rebuild itself. I have the same opinion as those who say they agree with a politician, no matter his line, his ideology, his methods, his convictions, so long as he pursues the noble objective of respecting the specific cultural identity in the region in which he practices politics. Be he communist or Islamist, progressive or conservative, in so much as he makes a serious commitment to reducing unemployment, insecurity and poverty, I must support him even if all the rest of us oppose him. I think that it is time for the Moroccans and Algerians to forget about their phantom problems over which they have power (save that of polemicising). We each need to do our part in working towards one sole objective: a true union, a true fusion.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-18

To say the truth, you don’t like Algeria and you don’t like Algerians. You don’t wish our good. Despite this, you insist on opening borders. You look to the Algerian coming to you as a pack of Euros, dollars, dinars or dirhams. Curse the slave of the dirhams! Curse the slave of the dinar! You are the cause of closing borders but you don’t stop weeping over it. Trust is lost between us and for you and your good intentions towards your neighbours. The whole world sees that you are wrong. They know that you have a history in treason and cheating. They see you as oppressors and tyrants. You alone are pretending and don’t want to believe this. This is the result of the effect of hashish on your minds! You pretend that you want to open borders and that you work for the Union of the Arab Maghreb while you build the wall of shame and disgrace in Western Sahara. You divide a nation and send away a safe people in the deserts. You separate man and his wife, father and son, brothers. You kill and frighten safe people. Who will believe you? You pretend that Western Sahara is part of you, but how is it conceivable that you act to a part of you in this way? You are lying to yourselves before you lie to others. Your logic is odd. You are used to cheating, deceit, treason and treachery. People follow the religion of their kings. Oh Lord be witness that I am fasting.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-18

What is this odd logic you are using, my brothers? Are you lying to yourselves, to us or to the world? On the one hand you pretend that you are serious in your cooperation with Algeria to build the Great Arab Maghreb, the dream of millions of Maghreb people. On the other hand you divide and frighten its safe people. You drive away a nation and make them face loss, misery, deprivation, heat, starvation and thirst. You go too far in torturing them. Is this the attitude of brothers in the rules of wise people? This is the effect of hashish on your minds. Remove the wall of shame and disgrace. History doesn’t have any mercy for oppressors. God doesn’t like injustice. Injustice is rewarded by injustices on the Day of Judgment. You should prove your good intentions. Be honest with yourselves before you are honest with others. Then we will reconcile and be brothers again. You will find our breasts open and our hearts free of hatred and treachery towards you. Fear God and this people and don’t compound their suffering. By God, what do you want of them? Let them live in safety and peace like other people of the world. This people are tired of your harshness and injustice towards them. You have tried all types of weapons: Napalm… banned weapons. You were assisted by French aviation to track them in the heat of the Sahara by the Mirage. Your acts are enormous. Use your mind and listen to the call of conscience. Won’t your conscience wake up one day?

Ego Posted 2008-09-18

Kabs! Once again, another copy-paste job, and the old one was still hot off the press! Personally, I won’t tell you anything, rather you can park it at our friend Slim’s reply.

DJELLOUL Posted 2008-09-19

The problem is that the Sahrawis are pretending to be Algerians and insulting the Moroccans in order to provoke them, leading to adverse reactions on the part of the Moroccans and thus even further deepening the divide between the two peoples. They are completely opposed to the border being opening because they fear a rapprochement between the two people, which would hurt their cause. So, do not fall in their trap!

mohammed Posted 2008-09-19

I love my country and I am proud to belong to it. I defend it. I respect those who love their countries, are proud to belong to them and defend them. However, I hate those who despise others, take their rights and deny them their love for their country, pride to belong to it and defend it. I love my Moroccan brothers, the honest ones who love Morocco, are proud to belong to it and defend it. But I hate those who violate the rights of others, stumble over them, oppress them and torture them. I am surprised at those who kill a man and then attend his funeral. They refuse to look back to see how the whole world has its finger pointed at them. Our noble religion taught us these two facts: One cannot truly believe unless he loves his brother as he loves himself. Muslim sare brothers Muslim, they doesn't oppress each other, disappoint each other, lie to each other or despise each other. I hope and pray that I am not contributing to sowing hatred and animosity between the brotherly nations. I hope that I am just a defender of rights, the rights of an oppressed and weakened nation. Acts are driven by intentions. Happy Ramadan my Maghreb brothers. May the Lord cleanse thy breasts and purify thy hearts.

SAMIR EL - ZENI - TUNIS- Posted 2008-09-19

The Algerian-Moroccan border needs to be immediately re-opened. Above all else, there is no need to create problems at the level of the Arab Maghreb, otherwise, we risk a very very bad turn of events with the West. We are already poorly viewed by the Middle East. We are not going to accept this here in the Maghreb. All the same, the Algerians want to sink their country into a crisis, but we are not going to follow them.

Anonymous Posted 2008-09-20

Mohamed, you are completely mistaken. You read history very badly, because you make the aggressor out to be the victim.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-20

Hi my brother Kabs, hi my brother Qariym. Hi the brother who didn’t say his name. The words of my brother Qariym do not need any comment because it is the truth and it is very logical. However, I am sorry because my brother Kabs didn't read it and judged it. Just gossip. I saw that he was asking about things which I replied to in my previous comments or comments of others before me. My brother Kabs, I read your previous comments and I read your last comment in French before it was translated into Arabic then I read it in Arabic when it was translated to it. So as you see, have some respect for the people who write on this forum and respect their writings. You don’t like gossip. Nevertheless, you drive me to repeat. As regards the Moroccan brother who defended tourism in his country, I respect in him his concern for his country and his defence for tourism in his country. I want to remind my Moroccan brothers that some of the common expressions in Arabic “May your mother bereave you!” Apparently, it looks like a denunciation. But in reality it expresses love and care for the person to whom it is addressed. I hope that my brothers understand what they might see as denunciation or vituperation in my words. I will reply to the questions of my brothers Kabs later even if I have to repeat myself. First it rains, then it pours. Thanks to everyone. Happy Ramadan.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-20

Algeria is strong. It has a strong diplomatic presence. Only an obstinate person would say the opposite. Its reputation is not affected as you fancy my brother. Remember that it badly expelled Morocco in the past from the Organization of African Unity. It was present through international bodies in Iraq. Maybe you haven’t heard about a veteran man in world diplomacy. His name is Lakhdar Ibrahimi. He is an expert. Algeria was present in Mauritania after the last coup through regional and international organizations. You might wonder who was chairing the delegations of these organizations or were at least members of its delegations. Algeria is capable of convincing its friends of its opinions. Algeria is capable of convincing free people in the whole world of its opinions. The word of Algeria is heard and respected by those who work for security and peace in the world. Algeria is still steady defending human rights. Algeria has succeeded in reaching conciliation between Ethiopia and Eritrea. To sum up, Algeria is capable of attributing legitimacy, if it wants, to the coup in Mauritania. However, this is contrary to the principles it advocates. Therefore, its position is clear. It doesn’t recognize regimes founded on coups. Terrorism isn’t a standard to affect the reputation of the country. Spain has witnessed a sweeping civil war to the point that some military words were known only after the civil war in Spain such as the fifth queue.

NORDINE Liverpool U.K Posted 2008-09-20

The Algerian president, Abdelaziz Bouteflika, and the king of Morocco, Mohamed VI, are very intelligent. They will succeed in unclogging the problem between the two brotherly peoples because they are very intelligent. You will see: 2009 will be the renewing of Algerian-Moroccan relations. This is going to be a great holiday for the two brotherly countries. The enemies of these two brothers will indeed need to behave and, more importantly, keep their mouths shut!

mohammed Posted 2008-09-20

Spain has experienced a sweeping civil war. However, it is still present and strong. It still keeps your territories to this day. Algeria isn’t an inglorious country. Algeria has its problems which it tries to solve quietly and noiselessly. Its problems are of course proportionate to its size, regional and international presence. We have honest friends in this world. We have many allies who wish us well and co-operate with us. We also have some jealous resentful people who are jealous of it. We haven’t said for a single day that we are on the same level as the USA. But this is your vision of us. We haven’t tried one day to disturb you or bother you. However, this is your reading and analysis of our movements whenever we go. We are building our country in silence. We build universities, schools, buildings and roads. We co-operate with those who want to co-operate with us. This is all. May God guide you to the paths of goodness and reform. Happy Ramadan everyone.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-20

My brother Kabs. A warm greeting from Algeria, the land of human rights. There is a popular proverb which says "Don't throw stones in a glass house." We have never said that we are blessed angels. This is your vision of us. We are simple and ordinary people like other human beings. We don’t see ourselves better or worse than others. We have our positive and negative points like all people. We have no complex of inferiority or complex of superiority. No one of us has pretended one day that he is a prophet or the expected Mahdi who will fill the world with justice after oppression and injustice have prevailed, that he will save humanity from its maze and the ignorance of the twenty-first century or release it from the torture of life and the afterlife. This is a foregone time. The times when states were founded on wrong and false pretensions are over. Times when states were founded on fanaticism and religious call, as it was stated in Al Moqadima of Ibn Khaldoune, are over. We are in the era of democracy and human rights. May be you have understood this precise hint. It is true that we aren’t angels. But our religion has taught us that the person who keeps silent and remains silent about his rights is given over to Satan. I think that this is enough. With my love to all the honest Moroccans.

Med Posted 2008-09-21

Hello Kabs. As Algerians, we defend oppressed peoples because we ourselves suffered from this situation and we cannot tolerate it. I will take advantage of this opportunity to thank our friend Mohammed for the quality of his comments. I hope that our Moroccan brothers will take advantage of them in order to change their point of view towards the Algerians. I can confirm that the Algerians love and admire the late Mohamed V and, as for Mohamed VI, I think that after the resolution of the conflict over the Western the Algerians will better appreciate him. Personally, I have great esteem for this king.

Dziri58 Posted 2008-09-21

For the border to be opened, several conditions must be met, and they can be divided into four categories, firstly Morocco has to recognise its own borders and sign protocols of agreement with all its neighbours, secondly they have to recognise the right of self rule of the Sahrawi people in the Occidental Sahara, thirdly they have to clean up or show a will to clean up their image of a country of tourist sex trade, child abuse and violence against women and the weak, slavery, drugs and corruption and finally the fourth condition they have to come clean and apologise to Algeria over a series of historical incidents that have taken place since France set foot over the grand Maghreb and i will elaborate in this if you allow me the time and space as the majority of our Moroccan brothers including our infamous brother Kabs who i believe is a spoksman for the Makhzen or simply a blind nationalist, do no understand why 99.99% of Algerians do not want the border to be re-opened in the present circumstances and this is not because of hatred or animosity towards the Moroccan people or their King Mohamed VI, it is simply due to past events that have preceded the latter. In fact the present King has inherited a bad legacy from his predecessor or his father Hassan II and it will take great strenght, courage, tact and diplomacy to untangle the situation that his father left him with. To sum it up, Hassan II with his expantonist and opportunist views was blind in his oppression of the weak and vulnerable and as a result attacked Algeria in 1963 in what was to be named as the war of the sands, before Algeria managed to catch its breadth from the attrocious war of independance. (To be continued)

Dziri58 Posted 2008-09-22

(Continued from previous comment and i do apologise to the reader for the lenght of this but i believe it is important to state all the facts) This assault by Hassan II's army resulted in at least 20000 lives lost on both sides without a word of apology from him. Then in 1975 another window of opportunity opened up and he invaded with his "La marche Verte" the Occidental Sahara soon after the Spanish left. And finally to top it all up, he decided to close the border with Algeria and impose visas on all Algeriens in 1994 over the incidents of Marrakech and at that time all the Algeriens residing in Morocco were frog-marched to the border and kicked out with all their businesses and possessions confiscated and again without a single word of apology until his death. In contrast to Hassan II, we Algerians are very grateful to his father King Mohamed V who really stood by the Algerian cause and helped the Moujahideen by providing them with camps in Oujda and other parts of Morocco and his sacrifice cost him dearly as he was exiled to Madagascar for his support to the Algerian people. But we Algerian have not forgotten him as we have named in every major city a street or a boulevard after him. However during the exile of Mohamed V, the Makhzen was left to his son, the Prince Hassan II who did not hesitate to distroy all his father good work by showing his first sign of animosiy towards the Algerian people and alerting the french of the plane leaving Morocco for Geneva and carrying the five Great leaders of Algeria, Boudiaf, Bitat, Ait Ahmed, Krim Belkacem and Benbella. The rest as they say is history. Salam Alaikoum

mohammed Posted 2008-09-22

Our Moroccan brothers think that some of the serious problems of Algeria is hosting the Polisario front. I say to these people, Algeria has never entered Western Sahara, brought Sahraoui people and packed them there. Sahraoui people haven’t come to Tindouf for sightseeing or entertainment. These are our brothers who ran away from the tyranny of their brothers, came to us and asked for refuge. So we have hosted them and shared with them our food and drinks. We have calmed them down from their scare. All the free world supported the Algerian revolution. It is now our turn to help those who need help and embrace them. Is there something to blame us for in this? The noble man is concerned about the safety of those who ask for his help and shelter. We have never forced Sahraouis to come to Tindouf. They haven’t gone there willingly. It is the Moroccan military machine which coerced them to come to Tindouf. It is the hellish machine which forced them to run away to Tindouf. They ran away from Napalm and French Mirage which were tracking them in the infernal Sahara. Fire was everywhere from both the earth and ski, from the front, back, right and left. So what could these armless people do in the face of the hellish machine exhibited by Morocco with them? It should have been exhibited somewhere else.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-22

These oppressed people on earth are our brothers. They ran away from the oppression, injustice and tyranny of their brothers who are also our brothers. They have come to us asking for safety, peace and support. So we have calmed them down from their scare. We offered them shelter after they were homeless in the sands of the Sahara. We assured them that rights would be restored to them. Is there anything to be blamed for about this? We have shared our bread with them in the apogee of our crisis. We haven’t felt that they were a burden to us. So how can we see them today as a burden and God has relieved us, praise be to God? If you are sorry for us because you think that they are a burden, so restore their rights to them, relieve them and us and you will be relieved. Delivering refugees and those who ask for shelter is not a feature of honest people. We will keep on supporting them with different peaceful methods unless…So keep these words in mind. It is a reminder if you forget or feign to forget. If you are unjust to them we will grant them justice. If you evacuate them from their houses, we will offer them shelter. If you scare them, we will calm them. If you starve them, we will feed them. If you misguide them, we will guide them. If you made them ignorant, we will teach them. If you were hard on them, we will be merciful to them. Have mercy on people on earth so that God in heaven will have mercy on you.

Dziri58 Posted 2008-09-22

It is neither down to the Algerian government to take the initiative to re-open the border, nor is it down to the will of the ordinary Moroccan and Algerian people who are brothers tied by the same destinies and share so much in common. Therefore we readers must stop throwing stones at each other. There is only one person who can untangle this situation and that is the actual King of Morocco with the help of his advisers in the Makhzen. And although he is not the cause of this status quo, he has however inherited a bad legacy from his predecessor, his father King Hassan II and must therefore atone for the latter's errors of judgment and the wrongs he had inflicted on his neighbours as stated in my above comments. As well as this, King Mohamed VI must also apologise for the betrayal of the Algerian people by some of his ancestors who collaborated with the French occupiers against Emir Abdelkader who asked the then Moroccan Monarch for support and a place of refuge for his exhausted Moujahideen. This incident represent the worst case of betrayal and marked the begining of the sour relations between the two brother countries. Therefore this would be a massif ask for King Mohamed VI and a great test of his will power, but also a dilemma as this means he must not only undo all of his father's work but also make amends for some of his ancestors mistakes. But it would be all worth it in the long run and only then can the two brothers resume great normalisation of affairs and all aspects of cooperation between them and relaunch the Grand Maghreb Road Map. To achieve this the King must show great strenght, courage, patience and tact and Inch Allah he will be rewarded by Allah for his would be great work and revered by all the Maghreb people like his grandfather King Mohamed V.

djamel Posted 2008-09-23

To Med: I am sure that you are not an Algerian. Who knows what the Algerian people are going to do under the hands of the Algerian generals? Happy breakfasting! We want nothing to do with your Polisario! We Algerians are ungrateful!

mohammed Posted 2008-09-24

What happens in the region of African Sahel? The region of African Sahel has really become a powder keg which could blow up at any time. There are sand storms which predict the seriousness of the deteriorated security condition there. Sand hills move towards the north of Algeria. Algeria is totally unable to tackle the deteriorated security condition there. It is unable to sweep its area. These are some of the allusions made by my dear friend Kabs from dear Morocco. In his overstatements, he broached all the risks in one set. So, I tell him, wisdom is stronger than risks. We rely on God. We will face these risks with wisdom and forethought. We also should never forget that we have friends and allies who co-operate with us against this strife including free people in the whole world so that I don’t state names…

mohammed Posted 2008-09-25

I was happy and my heart was filled with joy to see this big volume of comments in which the sons of my dear country Algeria agree on one vision of events and issues. I found that they all expect good from his majesty the king Mohamed VI. I personally hope from the bottom of my heart that he inherits from his father, the late Hassan II, his political expertise and from his great grandfather beloved by Algerians Mohamed V his graciousness, nobleness and chivalry. His majesty the king Mohamed VI showed his graciousness, nobility and courage when he punished those involved in the terrorist operation which targeted Algerian citizens in south west of Algeria. He eliminated him from his government. May God assist him to serve his country and nation. With my love to all honest Moroccans.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-26

To the brother Samir El Zini from Tunisia. The first side to profit from closed borders between Algeria and Morocco is Tunisia. There is no need to enter into details. Secondly, I am not talking about any details. Thirdly, you are unfair to your Algerian brothers. Our religion has taught us this fact: if you believe in God and the Last Day, say something good or keep quiet. These are just your words and not the words of dear Tunisia. These are not the words of the brotherly Tunisian people. Thank you.

mohammed:بمناسبة عيد الفطر Posted 2008-09-26

On the occasion of the blessed Night of Alkadr, which is better than a thousand months... Peace! it is till the break of the morning. I am happy to offer to the visitors of this site, all Maghreb people and all Muslims in the world the warmest and heartily brotherly greetings, best and most faithful wishes. Happy Eid to everyone. Oh Lord accept our fasting, night praying and our sincere deeds. Oh Lord, show us the right clearly and guide us to follow it and show us the evil clearly and guide us to avoid it. Oh Lord bring us next Ramadan with abundant bounties, oh Lord, oh most merciful, introduce the dead with your mercy to paradise for the sake of Mohamed the honest prophet. Amen, amen, oh Lord of all the creatures. Happy Eid to everyone.

mohammed:وفاة الخطيب Posted 2008-09-30

May God rest the soul of the Moroccan militant and mujahid Abdelkrim El-Khatib who died this week. He had honourable positions in supporting the Algerian revolution. Oh Lord rest his soul, introduce him in your wide heavens and grant patience to his family. From God we are and to God we shall return.

zendj Posted 2009-01-19

I have nothing to say.

tarek Posted 2009-01-19

I am Algerian. I visited Morocco several times when the border was open and I noticed how the rich have such a haughty “braggart’s” mind about them and the poor humble themselves. Such is not the case in Algeria. Here, the rich respect the poor: a worker can easily address his master without any bother and, of course, with mutual respect. What I also noticed was that most merchants and customs officers do not respect us. There were a lot of insinuations being made, for example: “Are you getting these bananas for your brothers?”, “These apples you're taking back with you, have you had them?" And, there were a lot of other insinuations too. You never regretted your mockery of us until the border was closed. As for us, if we felt a somewhat ridiculous, then it was because of our leaders at the time. Now, however, we have president Abdelaziz Bouteflika, thanks be to God!

LAMISSE .TUR Posted 2009-02-04

My country, I am proud of it and love it. I also love any other person and respect them as if all the world were brothers. So there is no need for war, ok world.

magharibi Posted 2009-03-22

Hello- I hope I do not offend any of our intellectuals with my present comment, in which I intend to say that the story of brothers at arms does not date back to yesterday, as most people think, but is exactly 946 years old, dating to when Morocco and Algeria separated from one another. The true history of this area has it that after the invasion of the Hilal, the great King Abdel Moumen reigned over all North Africa. After his death in 1163, North Africa became mismanaged. It was divided into three kingdoms: Tunis, Fez and Tlemcen, the first capitals of the region. Personally, for my part, I tell you that Arabs fight twice in their lives. The first time is in simple child’s play, yet it is still brothers at arms. The second time is over inheritance. It is always the strongest one who gets the best share. I note that among my brothers and sisters who have let their opinion be known they think the only important thing in a football game is scoring a goal; even it means scoring one with your hand, then you ought to do it. No! This is a very very large project. The Algerians are selling themselves out with their oil (praise God). The Moroccans are selling themselves out with their tourism and agriculture. (They mix up all their plants.) If in my time they find self-satisfaction, then this will be better for our two peoples; if not, then may whoever is in more need openly admit it while accepting that his policies could be revised. Algeria does not belong to Bouteflika and Morocco does not belong to Mohamed VI. Tomorrow, they will no longer be here. From God we are and to God we shall return.

magharibi Posted 2009-04-02

First of all, I must confess to you that I have not mastered the French language. In this comment, I would like to make a suggestion to my brothers and cousins of the Maghreb that will be quite beneficial (at least for the honest men among them). In the eyes of God, the citizens with family on both sides of the border are the only ones who are paying the consequences imposed upon us by the high-ups. Why then not open the border and reinforce our policing of them? In this way, no one would dare to bring across the slightest product forbidden by God or the law. We also need to give a warning to the smugglers and give the army the order to shoot anyone found crossing the line. There would be about ten to fifteen deaths, which we could write off as traffic accidents, and then nothing more. Zoud el Beghal ought to now be called Zoudj Khawa (Two Brothers)! As for the Sahara, what has the Polisario promised us once they gain independence? Isn’t the Polisario claiming Tindouf for itself? What kind of policy is this, closing a border of 50 metres in order to open another of 1200 kilometres?

The Last Desert Warrior Posted 2009-04-08

This must be the 100th website ive visited today where one arab nation is in turmoil with another. And the best part is that you people actually belive your countries are the ***t. The maghreb (whether you want to admit it or not) is in chaos, not because were weak financially or military wise- but as my respected brother maghrabi posted, were countries where selling ourselves to european and any other culture besides the arab one has become favoured, and the best part is that all we do is point fingers across the border (THAT GOES FOR EVERY NATION IN THE MAGHREB) for my fellow algerians who believe no good can come from opening borders, and building positive ties with morocco then your pathetic, and for the moroccans who believe theyre better because algeria "should" belong to morocco, you need to wake up... as far as the sahara issue is concerned i dont believe they should be seperated from morocco, but rather unite with morocco, who should unite with algeria, who should unite with libya tunis egypt ect ect... precious years and resources are being wasted in not making a united arab nation, and as for the maghreb nations, its taking a toll on our arabism (negativley).falesteen, then iraq, sudan, somalia our countries need to do what ever it takes to make a united arab nation a reality before we end up like the native americans..EXTINCT ps. i do understand that most people who have voiced a negative opinion about moroccans from the algerian side and about algerians from the moroccan side are nothing but an obstacle to a united maghreb/arabism, making you an enemy to the cause, and thus must be made to change your views or be exterminated to ensure the unity. thank you

magharibi Posted 2009-04-20

As I see it, in Algeria we find more Algé--RIENS than Algerians. Morocco has the same problem. Its population is made up more of MaroCONS than Moroccans. They have had all the time they needed before to find an Obama solution.

محمد Posted 2009-05-13

In the name of God the most gracious the most merciful. You have tied it with your hands in 1994. So solve with with teeth now. As to the border, the kingdom of Morocco should apologise to Algerians and the Algerian government. It should announce its loyalty to Algerians and the Algerian government to the last drop of blood and follow its orders. The first side which will benefit from opening the border is Moroccans. As to Algerians, it is loss 100%. This is because tourism and trade will increase in Morocco to more than tenfold. The number of tourists in Morocco will reach over one hundred million tourists a year through the Algerian immigrants who will go via Morocco with their cars to Algeria and from Algeria to Europe daily. At the same time, they will visit many regions and waste a lot of money. As to Algeria, Moroccans come to work their and transfer their monies to Morocco, no more. So apologizing is very little. There should be more loyalty by Moroccans. But we don't mean to be arrogant. This is in our interest and your interest. Salam alikum.

colos Posted 2009-05-17

If it were not for the uninterrupted money transfers from Moroccans living abroad, many of whom are off somersaulting in Dubai and dealing drugs in Brussels, for the sex tourism, for the drug cultivation and for the natural wealth, which does not cease to lavish the Gulf emirs and other Western patrons of good fortune so that they can maintain their caravan harems, the Kingdom of Morocco would have handed over the keys to the palace long ago. Morocco produces nothing at all. Barely $85 billion for a population of 33 million - that is the height of it! Moreover, it is behind on all socio-economic indicators. It got honours for coming in in the not-so-bright 127th place on the Human Development Scale (HDS), behind the retirement homes in the depths of Africa. There you have it: the bitter reality of Morocco behind the facade of tourist operators and the brochures of fake tour agencies. Meanwhile, the feudal monarchy and the generals trafficking drugs hang on to power, bringing themselves happiness why the little people remain in the most abject poverty.

amirouche1 Posted 2009-05-17

All the world's dribbling imploring and most painful bowed knee-bending from the proponents of the Makhzan's power will not re-open the border with Algeria so long as Morocco continues to boast of its grim nicknames. The hub of marijuana cultivation and trade keeps on turning and it will not cease to play the preponderant role in the export of terrorists (for example, the bombings in Madrid, the cells in Milan, the Bellararj network in Brussels, the role of Moussaoui, the Moroccan, during the events in New York in 2001, the Moutakadim cells in Hamburg and the dozens of Moroccan terrorists who magically cross the borders with arms and baggage to sow their misdeeds in Algeria). Opening the border with Morocco under the current prevailing conditions would be a deadly mistake for Algeria. A week does not go by where the Algerian security services do not flush out an entire convoy of explosives or drugs coming from the heart of the Cherifien Kingdom to Algeria. Let us not forget to point out that hundreds of millions of dollars in petrol products and foodstuffs subsidised by the Algerian state going the opposite direction and bleeding our economy white under the watchful eye of the Moroccan security services. Algeria will not play the role of the milking cow for the entire region. The drugs and the active support of terrorism on the one hand, and, on the other, the highly valuable merchandise (medicine, food, spare parts, appliances and so on) coming from neighbouring Algeria is not - I think you will willingly agree - something one might call a win-win situation. There is no need to branch off onto one of the one million winding roads. If, in all of its repeated supplications, the Makhzan has become confused, then it is not because of the overabundance of neighbourliness towards Algeria and, even less so, because of the [sic] brotherliness it sweats from its pores. To tell the truth, it is nothing but good old economics that has dictated its prerogatives. So, between Spain, which despises you, and Algeria, which ignores you, and the Western Sahara, with which you wage war, all you have left is the whales of the Atlantic!

Anonymous Posted 2009-06-03

to hell with politicians you know when it hurts the most, is when an ordinary citizen cant be free with this politics, I speak like this a I am in morocco and also a south african. I always have visa problems when I have to travel. It made me hate every politicians I see. Now I have a moroccan visa which will for 3months but i have been in morocco for a month now, my problem is I get a single entry from south africa now I have to visit senegl and return to morocco I dont think It will be possible! Before I finish my project in morocco. Mr H

rabi3a Posted 2009-06-15

I am Rabie from Morocco. I am 14. I want to say borders should be opened. If they want war, we're ready. All the sons of Morocco will stand hand in hand and you will see.

houcine Posted 2009-07-19

Well, what a scandal. You have forgotten that we are two brother peoples and that we have one sole destiny, that of unification. And, that is so even if the President said that no one can leave their land. Certainly, there are problems, but we need to face them in an atmosphere of brotherliness and respect. -God bless

A.El Badaoui Posted 2009-08-27

Dear All, a closed border is bad for business and open borders bad for security, I think we Moroccans we're not ready to open the borders, Algeria has to educate its people first from extreme way of thinking and solve problems with its people before trying with the neighbours .

محمد مبارك علي Posted 2009-09-26

Brothers in Morocco are addicted to drugs. Don't attack your origins, don't talk about Algeria. If you have pride of men, you wouldn't plot with the Zionist Jews against Algeria. You should know, we know that you Moroccans both officials and people are the worst enemies of Algeria. You're the first enemies of Algeria followed by Israel because you plotted against Algeria after independence of Algeria in 1962. You wanted to annex Algerian lands by force alleging they are your lands. You thought you were an empire. If you were good, you should restore the occupied cities Ceuta and Melilla by your masters the Spanish. You are humiliated. We will destroy everything you do against Algeria inside or outside. Since you are the worst enemies to Algeria, we will take against you anything. We won't rest until we finish what we are preparing in international events God willing. We won't believe what you say against us brothers of Jews and Christians.

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