Mounia Belafia discusses role of proverbs in perpetuating women's status in Morocco

2008-03-07

Writer and journalist Mounia Belafia spoke with Magharebia recently about her new book, "Women in Moroccan Proverbs". Belafia suggests that everyday phrases contribute to negative attitudes towards women.

Text and photos by Farah Kenani for Magharebia in Washington – 07/03/2008

Mounia Belafia, author of "Women in Moroccan Proverbs", says many commonly-used proverbs espouse negative opinions of women.

In the lead-up to the March 7th-8th Women's Book Fair in Fez, Magharebia spoke with Mounia Belafia about her new book "Women in Moroccan Proverbs". An expert in public perceptions and gender studies, the writer and journalist said that proverbs – even those used and created by women – reinforce popularly held negative perceptions about women and their role in society.

Magharebia: What prompted you to research the field of popular proverbs and their relation to women?

Mounia Belafia: My book was based on a conviction that the in-depth changes we desire for women's status in Morocco can't be achieved if we don't work on changing mindsets. A working woman would soon find herself no more than a housewife facing relatives that haven't necessarily witnessed the same development as the rest of society.

Based on that, I think we should work more profoundly in order to change mindsets and to achieve equality, not only on economic, political and other issues, but also in the patterns of behaviour that shape our conditions and influence our daily lives.

From this came the project of studying images of women and their relation to all types of discourse. I became interested in the topic at the media level, and I'm now preparing a study on women and theatre as part of my post-graduate studies.

The topic of popular proverbs, however, has intrigued me in a special way. I spent a lot of time studying it before I came to the conclusion that these popular proverbs, which are used by many of us in conscious or unconscious ways, embody many negative values regarding women. These negative values are passed from one generation to the next, and are reproduced in different ways. Popular proverbs and pop culture as a whole play a role in establishing and preserving traditions. This makes them act like established, deeply-rooted structures that are difficult to uproot.

Magharebia: Do you think that some women play a role in perpetuating the ideas contained in these proverbs?

Belafia: I was also concerned with the role women played in promoting offensive images of themselves. In my study, I posed the question of whether women used proverbs in their daily lives. The answer was yes. I posed another question, about whether they themselves were producing proverbs, and the answer was also yes.

Women are both consumers and producers of proverbs. Based on that, they are contributing, either consciously or unconsciously, to the dissemination of negative and offensive ideas about themselves.

In analyzing the body of these proverbs, we find ourselves faced with women who play a role in preserving traditions and passing them on accurately and honestly. A woman will replicate with her daughter-in-law what her mother-in-law did when she was young, in order to ensure that her son lives the same way his father did. The bride in turn hates the mother-in-law. Other differences within the community of women present an image of turbulence which resides in and engulfs that society.

Belafia's new book, "Women in Moroccan Proverbs", is based on the author's conviction that change in women's status in Morocco "can't be achieved if we don't work on changing mindsets."

Magharebia: What is the purpose of your study?

Belafia: My goal in this study was to attempt to transform the popular proverb from a product of its characteristics and status in society, outside the sphere of accountability and criticism, and from a product upon which society has imparted a type of sanctity, into a cultural product that is linked to social structure, justifications of behaviour patterns and existing hierarchal relations. In this way, we can approach the product in a critical way. We can read it based on a methodology of accountability that deals with it as a cultural product which perpetuates many social concepts and values and reproduces them in similar fashion to the way poems and wisdom are reproduced.

One of the conclusions of the study was that stereotypes about women are consistently repeated. These images take the typical form drawn by the type of thinking prevalent in the society. This "typical form" is dominated by negative images of women derived from a traditional culture that works to perpetuate women's inferior status in the social hierarchy. They are also derived from certain interpretations of religious thinking and from a special construction of tales and superstitions whose common divider justifies the inferior standing of women in the social hierarchy and in the predominant values surrounding them.

Even when a woman is mentioned in a positive way, we rarely find any other positive qualities except those that are related to her body and her "natural roles". Her standing is derived from her body, beauty, ability to give birth, care for her family and children, and skill in manual and domestic work.

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Magharebia: As readers, what can we learn from this study? What are the points that must be dealt with?

Belafia: We can say that there are three major issues that can be presented through our study of prevailing popular proverbs about women. The first issue is that the proverbs produced by men and women alike reflect the balance of power within society. In this society, women are considered the weaker link, and they tend to be dominated by a masculine culture. Men are the stronger party, and everything revolves around them. Within this gender hierarchy of men and women there is another social hierarchy where the rich prevail over the poor, the strong over the weak, the master over the slave, the fertile over the infertile, the married over the divorced and widowed, and other steps on the ladder of prevailing social values.

The second issue is that no society can be studied based on its social and class relations alone. The prevailing culture must be taken into consideration. More importantly, my study of proverbs shows the extent of the role culture plays in preserving tradition. This brings us to a deep dilemma linked to the role of culture as a comprehensive anthropological concept in influencing social shifts.

The third issue is that pop culture often conforms to popular religious thinking in such a manner that it becomes difficult to discern between social cultural products, such as proverbs, and religious beliefs as understood by the public. As an expressive structure, the proverb is similar to wisdom. As we have shown in this study, the proverb, with its different time and place changes, is no more than a cultural product related to a certain historical situation with its own conditions and determining factors.

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youssef Posted 2008-03-08

Thank you so much.

Garth Posted 2008-03-08

Can you tell us what some of these proverbs are?

hamid Posted 2008-03-10

Woman's place is in the home. Full stop.

fouzia Posted 2008-03-11

Forget what has gone, the past is dead…dead and its fire is extinguished, curse the hours playing with the human being, reminds me sometimes that life is full of tears.

Anonymous Posted 2008-03-24

what i want to say is that proverbs were made in the past, especially when men and women misunderstood each others in some specific situations.Today,Itis extremely shameful to use these proverbs against Moroccan men in order to gain some political rights.unfortunely, some Moroccan women always focus only on negative ones to say that they are disrespected in Moroccan society .finally,we are what ware today, not yesterday.

jinane Posted 2008-03-29

salam everybody thanks for this article i really find it intersting but unfortunately the book is in arabic i wonder if u can guys help me with any references coz im intersted in this topic in my post graduate studies.and thanks a lot in advance.

سعد Posted 2008-04-15

I think that proverbs weren’t just created in the past and remained there, their influence is still present today and they are still used. Moreover, they aren’t made by man as it was mentioned in a previous comment, they are made by men and women, which was mentioned by the author. Furthermore, talking about such issues isn’t meant to get political gains, but rather drive society towards achieving real progress and getting rid of many stereotypes and negative images about a certain category in society, no matter which one. Proverbs also offend other people in society; therefore, this work is an important initiative in favour of its author. We hope that it will be followed by other studies to examine mentalities in a deeper way and change their negative aspects.

هبهوبة Posted 2008-04-19

To the brother Hamid, before the finish line, it is important that woman receives a wage for her duties inside the house. You are used to getting everything free.

سامية Posted 2008-04-19

I was encouraged by the interview I read on your site to read the book. Honestly, I found in it many deep ideas about the nature of the popular intellectual structure in our Arab societies and its relationship with the status of women. Both matters are moving in a circle or chain with one leading to the other to make you return to the start point. In fact, popular proverbs in their major parts are damaging to women, not because they were invented to hurt women, but because the structure of society contributes to this offence. Many people think that we have overcome these ideas today. The reality is that they still exist in society and are still framing it, influencing its trends and directions. I hope I can get the email address of the author to get in touch with her.

abierta Posted 2008-07-13

Frankly, this is weak. Indeed, proverbs denounce as many men as they do women. And, they do this for humans generally in many cultures. Putting proverbs into the feminists’ boxing ring is just a way to amuse the audience. This certainly will bring in some money.

كمال Posted 2008-07-23

There are some proverbs which are prejudicial to women and there are proverbs which are prejudicial to men since old times in what is called the popular heritage. So therefore proverbs which are prejudicial to both sexes should be avoided.

sdiri rabha Posted 2008-10-29

its realy an honor to have the opportunity to disscuss the issue of momen in a spicific field which is moroccan proverbs . and i think amina s books is very interristing and we shal thanks her because she has give a prominent position for the moroccan women if she is abroad . so thank you madem amina

sanae rochdi Posted 2008-12-14

thanks for amina is very goooood

جلول Posted 2009-01-09

I don’t think that there are any women rights more than those granted by our tolerant religion. The Moroccan woman, I am not generalising here, is seeking scandal. She has reached it but she isn’t aware of it. She is almost naked in the streets. She used to be sought by men now it is the opposite. She removed the nice mask she wore before. Now she is running behind her desires and the uncovered west.

عامر Posted 2009-03-05

A great greeting to the writer. I agree totally with her approach of the issue of the negative view which is imposed by many societies on women and considers man as the standard that should be sacred and developed by society. I would like to add to the statement of the author that language in general as a social product continuously enhances this negative view through our use of it. As the use of our language in its present form, keeps on, as the writer said, producing the same values, concepts and myths which lifts man and makes him a standard through which everything should be compared. We must change the male discourse and his monopolizing the linguistic field and produce a new discourse free of any discrimination. We must know that language is in constant change. Therefore, changing the Arabic discourse is not impossible. Changing discourse will certainly produce other fair concepts which do not discriminate between woman and man. This is because language constitutes to a high extent our vision of the world, our concepts and values. With my sincere greetings to the author. I wish her constant success.

Anonymous Posted 2009-03-26

thanks a lot for this interview.i wonder if that book is available in bookshops

samia Posted 2009-04-10

I think that proverbs are widely used and there are considered as important phase of our oral tradition. Also we can relate many events to the context of these proverbs. I believe in proverbs because you can deduce many things from their meaning. So thank you mounia for taking the initiative to talk about proverbs because ours are full of meaning. samia

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