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Interview with Moroccan Amazigh Democratic Party chief Ahmed Dgherni

2008-10-16

The Amazigh World Congress will hold its fifth meeting later this month in Meknes, Morocco. Moroccan Amazigh Democratic Party chief Ahmed Dgherni speaks to Magharebia about the Congress and about broader issues facing the Maghreb.

Interview by Naoufel Cherkaoui for Magharebia in Rabat – 16/10/08

[Naoufel Cherkaoui] Ahmed Dgherni, Secretary-General of the Moroccan Amazigh Democratic Party.

On October 31st, the Fifth Amazigh World Congress will convene in Meknes, Morocco. Following some difficult deliberations over the location of the event, member groups of the Federation of Amazigh Associations chose the historic city for the three-day event that will emphasise unity among Amazigh people from across the region.

Ahmed Dgherni, Secretary-General of Morocco's Amazigh Democratic Party (PDAM) spoke with Magharebia recently about the Congress and the state of Amazigh affairs in his country.

Magharebia: What is the agenda of the Congress this year?

Dgherni: Our long-standing agenda is to gather the biggest Amazigh organisations this year. What is new this time is the fact that Algerians at home have paid greater attention, as opposed to before when more Algerian exiles did.

Magharebia: The Amazigh World Congress is accused of lacking a clear action plan, regulatory incapacity and inefficiency.

Dgherni: The Congress is made up of volunteer associations that are not getting any support and which are placed under a media siege and face communication and freedom of movement obstacles. This situation is aggravated by the closed borders between Morocco and Algeria and the Sahara Conflict. The Congress should not be blamed for everything.

Magharebia: What did you tackle in your meetings with some of the Algerian parties?

Dgherni: During those meetings we dealt with Moroccan-Algerian relations in general. Our main concern, though, was opening the border between the two countries. The national movement parties have inherited conflicts with Algeria that operate against the interest of the new generations in both countries. We are determined to overcome those conflicts to create political relations between both nations through the new parties.

Magharebia: Why did you ask the European Union to reconsider Morocco’s movement toward advanced status?

Dgherni: Morocco is living in an atmosphere of suppression. The most obvious evidence is the incidents taking place this year in Sidi Ifni and elsewhere, with students being arrested. Therefore, we approached the European countries because they are part of the good neighbour agreement and the partnership signed with Morocco.

Magharebia: Wouldn’t that be regarded as hindering the flourishing of economy in Morocco?

Dgherni: What we are basically concerned with is Chapter 2 of the agreement which stipulates that Morocco must respect human rights. Doesn’t violating human rights hinder the flourishing of the economy?

Magharebia: How do you assess the conditions of the Amazighs in the Arab Maghreb states?

Dgherni: First of all, I am against the term "Arab Maghreb states", because they are not Arab. Maghreb states are for all residents of the Maghreb. The condition of Amazigh culture in the region is in constant progress, since there is communication among nations and because the Amazigh culture has become a common factor in the entire region. Amazigh culture will enjoy a prosperous future if the Amazighs in the region unite.

Magharebia: What are the grounds of your long-standing clash with the Istiqlal party?

Dgherni: The [Istiqlal] party imposed the policy of Arabisation when it was the dominant party and it still holds on to Arabisation, which is the essence of our disagreement.

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Magharebia: Do you accuse Minister of Communication Khalid Naciri of being behind the delay in launching the Amazigh channel?

Dgherni: Since he is a minister in charge of the communication sector, he has to take responsibility. I consider the minister the main obstacle delaying the launch of the channel because he is not serious about the project.

Magharebia: As an Amazigh movement in Morocco, what are your demands?

Dgherni: We are asking for constitutional reforms, such as recognizing the Amazighs and separating authorities. We disagree with the authority, which imposes the power of scholars on society. Further, the state does not respect human rights. We are also asking for environmental reforms such as preserving forests and refraining from confiscating lands from some demographic groups. We are also asking for the protection of the mineral wealth that is being plundered as well as the marine wealth. Our demands are too many to list here.

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Canarias Posted 2008-10-16

“Magharebia: ‘What are the grounds for your long-standing clash with the Istiqlal party?’” Istiqlal is a party of foreigners who are hiding under the banner of nationalism and Arabisation in order to fool the Moroccans. It represents a specific community, entitled the “Fassia”, who were expelled from Andalusia during the Reconquista under the authority of one woman: Isabella the Catholic. She so resembled the courageous Berber Kahina, who fought the Arab invasion, in her own fighting and activities. The Fassia community forms its own state within the state of Morocco. It monopolises all domains—political, economic, social, cultural and so on. The head of the Istiqlal party is the current Prime Minister, Abbass El Fassi, and he has many members of the government who are his kin, for example: the ministers, prefects, governers, CEOs of public companies and army leaders. In short, the near entirety of the leaders of Morocco’s Makhzani comes from the El Fassi family. So long as the native Amazighs are excluded from all positions of leadership and are considered as nothing more than simple subjects of the King, who himself is exclusively surrounded by advisors and directors coming from El Fassi’s family, his cabinet will be fill to the point of bursting with the Fassia.

BM Posted 2008-10-17

Poor Morocco! Poor Amazigh! Unfortunately, human stupidity has no limits. Retards are free to move about as they wish and have the right to say any stupid thing that crosses their mind! That is: if they even have a mind! Woes are these divisions and imagined problems!

acharif moulay abdellah bouskraoui Posted 2008-10-17

“A Letter to all the Moroccans, Amazigh, Jewish and Muslim” –May Praise be to God alone– Dear Moroccans- In this letter I invite you to be soldiers at the disposition of your country. Every Moroccan plays and important role in the development of his country. As you know, we have a young and dynamic king, who does his all for his country. This is a king who is putting Morocco on the right path to democracy, justice and human rights. Dear Moroccans, you are all involved in the development of your country, wherever you may be. I further invite you to encourage tourism and investors to come to Morocco, as we are a safe country. Dear Moroccans, defend Morocco wherever you may be. Be the voice of your country! Be proud of our king, Mohamed VI, our nation’s guide, just as you were proud of our holy king, Hassan II, the father of our nation! Dear Moroccans, defend our territorial integrity, because, as everybody knows, the Sahara was, is and always will be Moroccan. Morocco and Algeria will remain brotherly and neighbourly countries, and I am sure that one day soon all the Algerians will shout out simultaneously that the Sahara is Moroccan. Let us also defend the Arab Maghreb Union in a world where only unions have strength. In the end, trust in the royal decisions: they are not born out of arbitrariness, but come as a result of in-depth studies, often in consultation with the greatest specialists in all domains (social, political, economic and so on). And, this has but one aim, which is always on the mind of His Majesty, Mohamed VI: the happiness of the Moroccans and the interests of Morocco.

saidani miloudi Posted 2008-10-17

IT WILL BE MORE MEANINGFUL IF THIS INTERVIEW HAS BEEN WRITTEN IN TIFINNAGH (TACHELHIT).WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE RESULTS OF THE UPCOMING 31st OCTOBER CONGRESS.

gol Posted 2008-10-19

That these leaders are meeting to hold a discussion via a congress of the Berber language is totally out of place right now, a time when developed countries like France a preoccupied with a financial crisis that is affecting the world (including Morocco). Do you really think that what interests and preoccupies Moroccan households is the discussion of obsolete languages? And, why is this dangerous? We see several Moroccan Berbers who have left them self imprisoned by this language from the time they were children on through adulthood, without knowing a single Arab word!

tyfawt Posted 2008-10-20

For all its ancient history, cuisine, dress, crafts, folklore and so on, Amazigh culture is the strong glue that will reunite the two brotherly peoples of Algeria and Morocco.

جامع Posted 2008-10-21

Amazighs are marginalized, especially in the Sahraoui regions. Why is their dialect not used in the news on the TV and radio channels which are monopolized by the Hassani dialect in southern regions especially the Sahraoui authentic Amazigh tribes of Ait Baamrane? Even in matters of authority, they have little function.

taourite Posted 2008-10-29

We indeed understand the reasons for the friction with the CMA. Some people will not hesitate to kill their mothers and fathers for money, especially when that money comes in the form of dollars or euros. There is no doubt that the organisation AMUSNAW from Tizi Ouzou and the “Collectif de Femmes du printemps noir” (“The Women of the Black Spring’s Collective”), which is at the helm of this dissidence, worries royally about Tamazight and Imazighen. Otherwise, why would the principal goal of this group be the destruction of the “customary code” and exempting their followers from the “family code.” That said, there are no guarantees from the other side. When will a congress be created or come to light? As they say in Morocco and Algeria: “Moussa hadj or hadj moussa.”

youness Posted 2008-10-30

No one ignores the events of the high school Kelaa Megouna. The director of the school (general Ouhadou) sacked 17 students as a result of the strike in which at least 700 students participated to call for the improvement of facilities and health services. Afterwards 17 students were sacked for personal problems. From this forum, I ask the minister of national education to interfere to grant justice to these students in their right to education. Thank you.

Arab Moroccan Posted 2008-11-06

I am an Arab of Morocco, but I have to admit with honor and respect that Morocco is not Arab. Our grandfathers invaded this country and killed so many natives of this land. I beg the Amazigh (the natives) for pardon over what our ancestors did to them. This is like Natives in America. I do agree that the Amazigh need be given their full rights, and frankly they deserve more than that, they diserve an affirmative action, because they have suffered so much and are still suffering in the mountans. Why don't some fellow Arabs be bold enough as to acknowledge this truth in order for us to move to a better future. This is not about division or anything, it is about addressing the problems we together face and order for us all to progress.

cherche d habord Posted 2008-11-09

The Amazigh movement is not something just to simply liberate a marginalised language, but a movement to correct history and correct the Moroccan Amazigh identity and to liberate us from this dishonourable pursuit to which we adhere whilst being Moroccan or Arabised Amazighs. This is not the “opinion” of Islam, but the “opinion” of the Arabs or Arabised. To be more precise, we need to ask whether we are Arabs or Muslims. If we were to distribute all of the Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula throughout the so-called “Arab” North African countries, then the Arabian Peninsula would be empty. If we are Arabs, then what do we call the apache helicopters that come flying into Algeria— devils? Think about detaching yourselves from your old chains and old concepts.

Anonymous Posted 2009-02-05

The history of Morocco has not begun twelve centuries ago only. History shows the existence of many states and dynasties in pour occupied land Tamzgha (Land of Amazigh people). Arabisation will disappear as well as the gangs and mercenaries of political Islam with their different names and ways of delusion. There must be a reconciliation with the self, history and African Amazigh identity. Islam is our religion. It has nothing to do with the crimes of the greedy people who pose as Muslims.

بوملبك Posted 2009-05-25

Salam to everyone. My greetings to those who are liberated from narcissism in their articles. I say about the topic, as far as I know, that what peoples in the region need is to put hand in hand to make their peoples happy. This should be through democracy, freedom, giving peoples the right to speak. That would be better than giving it to western masters who gave freedom to their people and are watching the other from fear that they make progress. There is also the Amazigh issue. I think that it is no longer a serious problem after the establishment of the Royal Institute. This cannot be forgotten by Amazigh people. May God protect Mohamed VI. We shouldn’t forget the noise caused by some Arabised and not Arabs because the pure Arab has values. We must all work hard for the development of our culture Amazigh and Arab languages against the languages of the coloniser. Some of you might say what about sciences? Sciences sir emerge from the minds of human beings and not from the languages of others. When you use the language of others, you contribute to developing his culture and industry. You will remain dependent on him under many unconvincing pretexts. May God protect you. Your Soussi Moroccan brother.

مسلم امازيغي Posted 2009-05-27

Amazigh people in Morocco live in systematic marginalisation and cultural humiliation which imposes on them things they don't belong to them. Amazighs are the native people of Morocco. They are very nice and welcome people of every category who come to their country. However, there are some sides who abuse of this kindness to ill-treat for this free people. There is a marginalisation of the Amazigh culture even if they live in their country. Vision to the Amazigh is a racist fascist vision.

éric Posted 2009-09-16

I do not want to dwell too much on things that have already been said, but I would just like to say that, as a European (German) Muslim, I find it unfortunate that North Africa is being reduced to the contemptuous words "Arab Maghreb" . It has given so much to Mediterranean culture with the 22nd and 23rd Pharaonic dynasties and the Muslim civilisation following the example of the Persians. What we call "Arab" has not given anything to Islam. In order to better understand, it would be better to read the history of Andalusia and the reasons for its fall. It is more beautiful to say "North Africa". Moreover, Islam strictly prohibits coercion in matters of religion. Fortunately, I did not know the Arabs before Islam, because what the Arabs do in the hotels in Cannes, Marbella and elsewhere is tragic and is soiling Islam in the same way they tarnished it before.

aboulout Posted 2009-09-19

Without a democratic regime, we cannot do anything for Morocco's marginalised Arab, Amazigh, African, Jewish and other people.

wahid Posted 2009-10-07

Morocco is an African country. The Berbers were the first to colonise Morocco, before the Romans and the Arabs. The Berbers need to tell us of their crimes against the original peoples.

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